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http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/Default.aspx?tabid=520&articleid=7187&articlemid=1519#1519Articles Tulsarama: Miss Belvedere to Shine Once Again A fter spending nearly 50 years quietly rusting beneath the Tulsa County Courthouse lawn, the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere affectionately known as “Miss Belvedere,” may soon be returned to her former glory. According to the Ultra One Corporation Web site, the company, which developed the Safest Rust Remover products has been enlisted to chemically de-rust and preserve what has become one of the world’s most famous “finned” Mopars in the world. 100_1136_0018.jpg Robert Carney of Frederick, MD, nephew of the car’s apparent winner, is expected to take possession of the car following an official presentation ceremony scheduled for Sept. 14 in Tulsa. Carney told the Tulsa World newspaper last week that an agreement has been worked out with the Ultra One Corp. to stabilize the 50-year-old automobile, once ownership has been confirmed. "Once we get it derusted, we think it'll run," Carney told the Tulsa newspaper. "We really think it will." 100_1137_0017.jpg Ultra One Corp. spokesman Dwight Foster said he expects it will take about 6 months to complete the de-rusting process of the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere along with all the other artifacts that were placed in the trunk such as the case of Schlitz beer cans and other items. Ultra One recently launched a Web site, www.missbelvedere.com , that will document the Belvedere's cleaning process. According to Carney, the rust needs to be neutralized to preserve the Belvedere, which apparently spent a good portion of the past half-century as much underwater as underground. "We're not going to take it apart and try to restore it," he said. "Ideally, what we'd like to see is that when it's in pretty good shape, the car would go back to Tulsa for another unveiling," Carney said. Go to the link above for the full story with photos. It seems like some company in the rust removal business is going to make a PR project out of the buried Plymouth. If their stuff can save that one,I'm going to be first in line to buy some of it! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tulsarama: Miss Belvedere to Shine Once Again A fter spending nearly 50 years quietly rusting beneath the Tulsa County Courthouse lawn, the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere affectionately known as “Miss Belvedere,” may soon be returned to her former glory. According to the Ultra One Corporation Web site, the company, which developed the Safest Rust Remover products has been enlisted to chemically de-rust and preserve what has become one of the world’s most famous “finned” Mopars in the world. 100_1136_0018.jpg Robert Carney of Frederick, MD, nephew of the car’s apparent winner, is expected to take possession of the car following an official presentation ceremony scheduled for Sept. 14 in Tulsa. Carney told the Tulsa World newspaper last week that an agreement has been worked out with the Ultra One Corp. to stabilize the 50-year-old automobile, once ownership has been confirmed. "Once we get it derusted, we think it'll run," Carney told the Tulsa newspaper. "We really think it will." 100_1137_0017.jpg Ultra One Corp. spokesman Dwight Foster said he expects it will take about 6 months to complete the de-rusting process of the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere along with all the other artifacts that were placed in the trunk such as the case of Schlitz beer cans and other items. Ultra One recently launched a Web site, www.missbelvedere.com , that will document the Belvedere's cleaning process. According to Carney, the rust needs to be neutralized to preserve the Belvedere, which apparently spent a good portion of the past half-century as much underwater as underground. "We're not going to take it apart and try to restore it," he said. "Ideally, what we'd like to see is that when it's in pretty good shape, the car would go back to Tulsa for another unveiling," Carney said.

And I'm with both of you. Here is a photo of my 48 Plymouth coupe.

First off,there is no way it stands up to the elements better. I see proof of this every day. Secondly,there are people who don't like or want the "Wet look" that base coat/clear coat finishes have or who just don't want that look on particular cars.

I'll be damned. All the paint and restoration shops around here keep telling me all they can buy is basecoat/clearcoat paints,and that enamels by the gallon are unavailable. That's one big reason I was going with Rust-o-leum industrial enamels. Plus,they are a lot cheaper and seem to hold up better to sunlight.

martybose wrote: >>I believe the Edmunds name is owned by Vintage Speed,<< Well,I guess that means no new ones will ever be made. >> but the last I heard he wasn't interested in making manifolds.<< He sure isn't interested in making any inline 4x2 DeSoto hemi intakes. He's been "going to make them" for how many years now?

Tim,that Desert Sand is a pretty color,but a little too light for my personal taste. Besides,I'm wanting to use a industrial enamel that resists sunlight that comes in spray cans. I'm not even sure it's possible to get Desert Sand in enamel anymore. Here is a photo of a 42 Dodge business coupe owned by a D-24 List member whose name I can't remember right now. It might help you visualize what your car will look like.

I can't make up my alleged mind what color to paint my 42 Dodge business coupe. I really wanted to try the roller method,but the pale purple Rust-Oleum color I was looking at only comes in spray cans. I think they call this color French Lilac,but what it looks like is purple primer. I already ordered 4 cans of it to give it a shot to see what it looks like on the car. I also thought about baby blue,but am already planning on painting two other cars that color. Got looking around today,and I have several spray cans of John Deere Yellow,and it might look pretty cool on one of these old 3-window coupes. Plus,I already have it. It's a pretty bright enamel and needless to say,it resists fading pretty good. I use it to paint the ramps and drain trays on my lift so I can see grease and oil to wipe them up. I really hate grabbing something and getting a handful of old oil or grease. Whoever came up with the idea to paint car trailers and car lifts black is a bleeping idiot. Can't use any dark colors because I live up a dirt road.

The problem with homemade is they are cast iron,and the Offy and other custom intakes are aluminum. This helps keep the heat away from the carbs. Since you can buy a brand new Offy intake complete with the linkage for less than $250,I have no idea why anybody would pay $175 for a homemade cast iron conversion and then still have to buy the linkage. Unless of course you are going for the "50's homemade" look.

It should be preserved,not restored. This means all the mud should be cleared from it and everything underneath and covered should be cleaned and coated with a coat of a preservative like Cosmoline to keep the air from getting to the rust and making it worse. Maybe even do this on the outside if you can find a clear preservative to put on it after cleaning the mud off. I can see why the owner of a 57 museum would want it. It would make money for him. I can't see why anybody else would want it,though.

I'm assuming the machinist squared the top of the block when he had it in his shop,right?

Why not just take the ones you have to a local spring shop and have them re-arched? Look in the yellow pages for shops that service dump trucks and other big trucks. That's also the place to go to get driveshafts rebuilt and flywheels surfaced.

Chances are they are going to find out it is better gas than gas sold 3 months ago. Years ago I was starting and driving cars that had been sitting more than 10 years,and now gas that has been sitting 6 months won't even start my lawnmower.

That thing is a trailer queen,not a "real car". I have one of those dual quad cross ram intakes,and they are useless on the street. Great if you are going to be turning 7,000+ RPM on a regular basis,but they make no power at all below 2000-2500 RPM's.

I thought they were MG Midget engines?

I would suspect a broken crank or a broken rod.

>>I measured my tire-on-wheel diameter , it's a little over 28" (I like the stock ride height) I think I may need to run 15" rims with modern tire sizes - what sort of rim+tire would give me the 28" diameter? << 225 or 235 78R 15's come pretty close. Any clerk at any tire store can tell you for sure,though. >>What sort of tire width will work on the stock suspension?<< I think there is room under there for the 235's,but what you have to watch for is wheel backspacing. Yuo won't want the rims sticking out too far or they will rub the fenders when the wheel is turned full to the left or the right.I really don't think that will be a problem with 78 series tires,though. As for wheels,just go to a local junkyard and get wheels and tires from a 70's Chrysler product,Jeep,or Ford passenger car and they will bolt right on and clear your caliphers. Wheels from pre 68 or so cars were made for drum brakes,and won't clear the caliphers. If you get wheels from a Dodge pu or a car like a Monaco,.you will get ones that will accept the baby moon hubcaps. I don't know why everybody doesn't do this. I've been paying 20 bucks for brand new radial tires on brand new steel wheels at junyards by pulling the spares out of the trunks or out from under the truck bed.. You don't even have to pay to get them mounted.

I have a 54 Olds 98 parts car with the complete ac system in it that you describe. The ac unit sits in the trunk under the package tray,and the plastic tubes come out of there and go to vents in the roof like airliners have. Been a while since I looked,but I believe the compressor is that big,too. I have no doubt you could fire that baby up and hang meat in the rear seat if it's working right.

I've never seen that happen. What I have seen happen that gets me steamed is auctions ending early with no reason given,and having ebay not accept my last minute bid for some unknown reason. I place the bid with a few seconds left,it SEEMS to take the bid,and then I see that soembody else won the item even though I bid higher. This has happened to me several times on hard to find parts that I really needed.

Tim Adams wrote: >>it all boils down to one thing...money...E-bay makes it money for the initial list and percentage of sale..so it only benefits them to extend the auction time...so again, E-bay does not have any regard for the buyer and could care less if an extension ruined his deal...<< Nice rant. Irrelevant since ebay doesn't extend auctions,but still a nice rant. You will have to ask the poster who originally posted that info,but I believe he was talking about U-Bid,not EBay.

Guys,if you have someth8ng to sell,why not give Craigs List a shot? I have almost quit trying to sell anything on ebay because of their outrageous fees,but have had good luck selling junker parts cars through Craig's List,and it's free. I still have parts cars I am selling for between 100 bucks and 450 bucks,and it just doesn't make sense to try and sell them on ebay. The last parts car I sold there for $250 cost me $80 in ebay fees. It just doesn't make sense. Because of this I pretty much only use ebay to buy stuff. I just bought a rebuilt NORS fuel pump for my 42 from ebay for $14.95 plus $10 for shipping by using Buy It Now. Also bought 10 brand new dual post 6v taillight and turn signal bulbs for $10,plus $3 for shipping. Right now I have a 48 Dodge 5-window parts pu with a clear title on the HAMB,the Pilot House board,and on Craigs list for $250. If it doesn't sell by Mondy it goes on ebay. If it doesn't sell on ebay it goes to the crusher. Hate to do that but I have to clean the yard up. BTW,I've had better luck selling stuff on Craig's List than I have had on ebay,but never seem to find anything there I'm interested in buying. Seems like it has to be at least 1,000 miles away before I'm interested in it.

There are a couple of guys on the HAMB who haul cars and parts around the country,and they are very reliable and very reasonable. A HAMBER named Ben D works the mid-west mostly,and another HAMBER named Stevie G mostly works the east coast. I had Ben D give me some parts from a 48 Dodge he was stripping a couple of years ago. All I had to do was pay postage. As for Stevie G,he works from out of the Atlanta,Georgia area,and sometimes goes out west. Both are reliable and very honest. It was Stevie G who went to New Hampshire and picked up the 42 coupe I bought up there and delivered it to me in NC a week or so ago. Ben D was busy with a haul out west,and recommended Stevie G to me. Maybe you could even work a combo deal,and get Stevie G to pick it up and deliver it to Ben D so Ben can deliever it to you the next time he goes to Nebraska? Ben is out of Mo,if I remember correctly.