BobT-47P15

Thanks for the info dav...............I did find the picture in my Parts Manual.........too bad it doesn't show the springs in question and how they attach. Far as I know, Dale has two usable springs at this time. The size of the springs can come in handy if looking for a close replacement. Don't think we need to have any made yet.....but thanks for that offer. Bob

Does anyone have a good picture of a 46-48 Plymouth front seat track...the underside.? There is a spring on each one to assist when pulling the seat forward.....which Dale removed for some reason. Now, he can't quite tell how they attached originally. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks.

As it turned out we were treated good by the insurance company and came out OK. I have actually been able to turn in additional claims on the Plymouth for such things as having a new wooden top bow made for above the rear window, for a new convertible top, and a couple other things. The adjuster they sent was a good guy, but it was difficult to estimate certain things since I didn't realize the bow was broken and had no idea the current cost of a new top. This is the new house, on the same site. Nice, floor plan is totally different from old one but not as homey feeling yet. The detached garage is nice, but as it replaces the storage space we had in the original oversized attached garage, plus 3 storage buildings of various sizes....and is to house the Plymouth when it returns.....it is none too big. Pretty much full up now.

It took a while. Several weeks. Some parts of the mess went fairly quickly......some ilngered on for a while. What was left of the house......... The living room;;;;;;;;;; At first, you had to wade through tree limbs because most trees around were blown down. Front view of our house....... It was tough on the Toyota........... The Plymouth was lucky....damage was minor by comparison to everything else. Not a good thing......was a nuisance as we lived in a town 30 miles away while the house was replaced.

OK.........next question........I am replacing the original style headlights with halogen units...........would a person still want to use the relay with them? Rich - if you find that relay diagram......could you send me a copy? email.....snail mail....whatever.

This is a 1938 Pontiac. Grill similar. Ends of bumper curve up the same....................

That old 49 Chevy in the first picture may have been an airport limo. And/or it might have made a good road vehicle for a traveling dance band of the day. In a note on the back of the picture, I apparently offered $1500 for that car back in 1972. It was sitting at a thrift shop along Highway 71 near Pineville, MO at the time. Have no idea where it went from there. Always thought it was cool. Probably would have been a real chore to restore. That DeSoto/Dodge looking truck is cool. Sometimes vehicles of that type were used as tour buses in national parks in this country.

I imagine most everyone knows there is the water drain tube at bottom of the cowl vent on the 46-48 Plymouths. I didn't realize that for several years, but the car was either inside or covered up most of the time. Once I finally saw that tube, then the question was -- where does a hose go? Well -- it goes out through a hole in the firewall and then kind of angles off to the passenger side, and is held in place by a clip. Found this pic of a P15 in a salvage yard which shows the hose and appears to be original. Just putting this out there for any newer folks who may not have discovered this subject yet. This may seem rather insignificant ....but it's just one of many little things that are part of an old car. I've had my car since 1973 and have learned many tidbits about it here on the forum. Of course, I'm not such a great mechanic and don't know a lot of things.....but it's fun working with the car anyway. I used a piece of clear plastic hose on mine.......but I think son in law has replaced that with a length of heater hose now.

OK........what do you consider "early cars"? Later cars? Don't recall seeing a relay near the solenoid. There were posts about headlight relays in the past.....will see if I can find them.

Riiight........looks like the sender opening is farther to the passenger side than a P15. Don't know how hard that would be to change. Looks a if they could easily produce the P15 tank with minimal re-tooling. I think that of the new tanks O'Reilly auto supply sells, one for an older Mustang is closest to the P15....but also needs mods. I sure do not care for those big smooth rectangular box types.

i had a 10 x 20 portable building in a level yard......until the big tornado came thru. Don't think i could have had enough anchors. You can see where it sat. Only thing left was the ramp into the front door. Strangely, the wind took the roof and walls of an 8 by 12 building next to it, but left the floor and some contents.

Looks like two old Plymouth guys to me...........

37 or 38 Buick, Pontiac or Olds

Also on horn relays.......I found in my collection a Delco RAH 4002 horn relay.....it's marked 12 volts.....with same connections. Just FYI. Then..............lastly...........I have two of these larger relays with a fuse........can't find any model number on them. The connecting points are marked with a "H", and an "S".........with a "B" right by the fuse. No idea what they are for or what car uses them. Anyone know?? I thought at one time I had a couple relays for the headlights......but had never installed them......and don't recall much about them now. Don't know if that would be these.

I guess I just discovered something about the horn relay on these cars. The one that was on my car was a Delco HRL 4104 model. It has four connections - for "battery", "ground", "ignition", and "horn". The exact hookup of these items is shown on the wiring diagram available at the back of the P15 Service Manual. Then I looked at some similar appearing relays, I think were taken off a slightly newer model Plymouth (like 1950, 1951 or so) ..... where they mount on the firewall rather than the horn bracket up front. Model HRL 4101. They have the same hookup designations stamped on the mounting bracket. Both are 6 volts. So, it would appear you can use either model on P15 horns. The model of relay is stamped into the side of it. Our Parts Manual gives a Mopar part number for these relays, but does not tell the rest of the story.......what brand relay and what model. And, I have never found or bought a Delco manual.......which might be a rather handy thing to have. The relays look like this........... (4101 on left) (4104 on right) And mount here on P15........

And, ya gotta have 4 longer length bolts to go through the bumper guards. I think mine came from Restoration Specialties.....seems like about $5 apiece. Actually..........what I did was.........the bolts have a stainless steel cover crimped over the head. I removed that cover and took the bolts to the plater to actually chrome the heads. I think they referred to the shape of the Mopar bolts as "football" shape.

I think you have it right Joe. That windlace is a supposed wind blocker around the crack of the door.......so you wouldn't want it tucked in at end of the dash.

There's a guy from Kansas City, MO who goes to swap meets with a bunch of plates. He might have a late 40s tag. The 49, 50, 51 used a small metal tag in the upper right corner to designate the year of the plate. Those are hard to find and pricey when found (like maybe $125). Can't think of his name or business name right now. Might have his card somewhere. 1947 Mo plate.................

Lots of good info gentlemen. Thanks. Guess I will try the big one on the right........but it will have to wait til I get the car back. Dale is trying to get the car put back together......about ready to try and start it after sitting for around 3 years. I can mess with odds and ends after it returns home. I had a bunch to "knick knack" wiring under the hood to hook up the extra horns, the siren, the hood ornament light and an underhood light. I didn't draw a diagram when I hooked up those things..........but I wish now that I had. Will try to do better in the future. Another thing I have done that helps me with wiring things under the hood, that appear on the wiring diagram for the car. Since there are so many wires crisscrossing one another, etc......I get a piece of paper and pencil and map out only the part of the system I'm dealing with. I study on the manual with my magnifying glass and draw my own picture -- which makes it easier for me. Just passing this on in case anyone else might find it helpful.

This is supposed to be a 52 Plymouth firewall...............grommets look like basic round style.

I suppose the air escape is a good thing. But why would they say to plug the hole for any car newer than 1941? Difference in the way the system works somehow?

The front end is just about put back together, with the newly re-chromed bumper. He's now working on the hood latch.

If you've ever been around a 1942 Plymouth and looked it over carefully.........you will see that virtually nothing will switch between a 42 and a 46-48 model even though they have a similar appearance at a glance.

Original 42 lenses and frames look like this. (I thought only 3 nubs on the lense.....but are 5).