Jump to content

Well-running engine stalls as soon as semi-auto is put into forward gear


DeS-11

Recommended Posts

This just came up, so I wanted to get some of your thoughts before I go further into it (and I won't have time for a little while yet, anyway); this is relating to a '47 S-11 with the semi-auto transmission. The engine turns over seemingly normally (for 6v anyway) and starts after several revolutions, idling normally. You can raise the RPM and all seems smooth, with no missing or hesitation; you can go into reverse gear, and the car moves normally. But when you go into a forward gear (specifically third in the 3/4 range), the engine quits immediately as if the ignition had been turned off, but will start back up right away. This happened twice in a row, both with the lights on, it should be noted; it hadn't happened previously, with or without the lights.

 

So what are your thoughts? I was thinking a possible issue with the idle speed being too low, so I'll see where that is (although I don't know why it wouldn't have been an issue before). Could it be a dying coil, or might a weak battery lead to this? The fact that the lights were on when it happened, and I've mostly only been doing very short drives recently (short enough to where the battery probably isn't being charged enough) led me to think that. The strange part is that it runs well in neutral, but then just cuts out altogether when the driveline load is applied--and the carb dashpot wouldn't have anything to do with this as it occurs when taking off from a stop, not coming to a stop, correct? Any ideas are welcome, especially from anyone who's experienced this with one of these transmissions.

 

Edited by DeS-11
Link to comment
Share on other sites

How does the wiring to the transmission look? I have the later M6 transmission and bad wiring caused similar problems. I recommend the Imperial club website. They have tons of info about the transmission including the troubleshooting manual that’s available for download. Is it shutting off while the clutch is disengaged or as you engage it?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'll have to check that wiring and see how it is, as that's something I've not done yet. It shuts off after you engage the clutch, as soon as you go to step on the accelerator--basically as soon as the forward gear engages--a frustrating problem, to be sure. Thanks for the Imperial Club service information, as well; I read through it and it should be a good resource to have regarding this transmission. The principles seem straightforward enough, but it looks like there are a lot of small moving parts to go bad, especially after nearly 80 years. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If I recall there is a circuit on these cars: When in top gear under 25 mph, you mash the throttle to the floor, it briefly grounds the ignition coil. This allows for the shift to take place by taking the engine load off the transmission input pinion.  I’d be looking into that portion of the wiring. Test for a possible short to ground. Check the rotating silver points switch on the transmission centrifugal weights too. 

Edited by keithb7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Keith is on to something. My S-11 Shop Manual has 3 pages of wiring schematics for the M-5 transmission. 

The third page is "Accelerator Pedal Kickdown and Ignition Interruption".  Hmmmm.

A wire from the grounding side of the coil goes to the PRI contact of the Kickdown Relay, where all sorts of magic happens, like momentarily grounding the coil when kicking down. 

 

Check the Shop Manual, or the info from the Imperial website.  

  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for all of the ideas; hopefully I'll get some time soon to look into it, and I'll let you know what I find. Hopefully one day I'll be able to actually drive it for some kind of distance, as well. . . it's supposed to be fun, so I hear, and I keep reminding myself. . . 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.

Terms of Use