53 w/overdrive forsale on the bay!

[Mr. Belvedere]

Last I checked it was only $475 W/ 14hrs left. Engine apparently runs good and dosen't smoke if the owner is to believed. The overdrive is the only thing that really makes this car valuable. If I lived anywhere near there I bid on it. If I was the lucky winner I'd rip the drivetrain out for my smoking 3-speed 54!

[Young Ed]

Funny I went looking and there are actually 2! One in GA and one in KS.

[Mr. Belvedere]

Right you are! I didn't notice the other one, I wonder what the reserve is? No doubt they will both probably top $1000.00

[Young Ed]

I wouldn't pay close to 1000 for either of those POSs. I like that the one comments about floor boards are saveable or something like that and you can see ground where the floors used to be.

[BobT-47P15]

This is the one in Alva, Okla..........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-Plymouth-Cranbrook-running-flathead-6_W0QQitemZ270153196408QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

52 Suburban somewhere in Kansas.......

51 Plym near Las Animas, Co...... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Great-Restoration-Car_W0QQitemZ160144943127QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

apparently no reserve......at $100 now

Nice P15 in New Jersey. Buy it now of 10K.

[Normspeed]

The sedan in Oklahoma says overdrive but the photo shows no OD relay or kickdown wiring on the motor and no OD handle under the dashboard.

There's a 53 Suburban on there right now, no OD mentioned but I do see an OD handle under the dash. The 53 has enough odd parts to be worth the starting bid but too far from me.

Mr Belvedere, you're nearby in Banning. Check the thread on backyard parts crawl. There's a rebuilt motor that needs finishing up, that might be had for cheap. It's in Upland. Darin or I could get you in touch.

[BobT-47P15]

Normspeed......I wonder what percentage of the wagons in that era came with an overdrive tranny. I had a 54 wagon.....it was O D. Maybe a good place to look for an O D is the wagons.......

Here's an idea......when you see a suburban on ebay, like this one that now has a V8, a person might contact to seller

to see if he has the old tranny lying around. May not, but it would be worth a shot.......

Link to this guy's ad.........http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-Plymouth-Suburban-2-Door-Station-Wagon-Hot-Rod_W0QQitemZ140144925693QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Young Ed]

I wonder about the 52 wagons with OD. In 52 the wagon was on a shorter WB then the other cars. However the drivetrain was shortened with a shorter tranny not a shorter driveshaft. So what did you get if you tried to get OD in a 52 wagon? Are the 53-54 wagons a shorter WB also?

[Plymouthy Adams]

According to my book, the 52 was when they put the OD in and the dealer was afforded retrofit to install in all previous sold cars..totally backward compatability as I read it...That is also why some earlier cars were equipted with OD.

[62rebelP23]

Hmmmmmm... what; exactly; makes any particular car a POS? the fact that someone is trying to sell it? doesn't know, or understand how to describe it properly? just wondering, because i might feel a little upset if it was meant to include my well-worn and attention hounding '52.

[Normspeed]

POS is subjective. To me, all of the cars pictured have some value, whether it's for trim and body parts, mechanical parts like OD transmissions, interior stuff, whatever. Being that they're not making them anymore, if I had the space and funding I would grab up just about every one of them. Right now the wagons are gaining in popularity so even a ragged out wagon is a keeper. Imagine how valuable the tailgate parts and fuel tanks will be in a few more years. They are specific to the wagons only.

To my subjective mind, the $58,000 pro street chopped suburban on the bay is a POS. JMHO.

[Young Ed]

Cars like those 2 53s are. But being a POS doesn't mean it can't become something better or die to help keep other cards on the road. Here's an example. I found through ebay and bought from a guy a p15 2dr sedan. The poster child of POS. It has already given up parts to atleast 3 p15s. The door panels and armrests went to a guy for a patern and for the stainless pieces. Tim got the headliner bows and I had to use one of the window regulators in my own p15. Also got a nice original lighter knob from that thing. Oh make that 4. The frame brackets went to Allan. Here's about what was left of it.

And for fun here's another POS I bought for parts.

[62rebelP23]

AHHHH... donor cars. see; i thought POS extended to the entire car, regardless of any good parts left on it. semantics. but... suppose someone had decided 30 years ago that ALL 4-doors or wagons were just junk and crushed them running or not? (see California... ) to me, any surviving hulk still harbors a chance however slim that it could be revived. i used to work on British sports cars, and let me tell you some of the absolute worst pieces of crap i'd ever seen were still capable of being revived. we even restored an Austin Healey that was dragged out of a riverbed where it had been since Hurricane Camille left it there in 1969. wasn't easy, wasn't even worth the trouble in terms of money, but it did save a car from the crusher.

[Normspeed]

Still some decent old ones in California backyards. As far as value, not so long ago, a lot of old Model T's, A's and such were considered worthless scrap if they had some rust holes on the door skins or body. Now with better tools and techniques, plus patch panels and aftermarket stuff, even a model T door with almost no skin is going for lots of dollars. Guys are patching together body parts from 2 or 3 Model T touring cars to get one body, and not a junky looking end result but a decent finished car. The value of the old Mopars can only go up, whether 4 doors, wagons, drivers or hulks. Anyone seen what folks will pay for a torn up original 32 Ford firewall? I mean just the firewall with pieces chopped out, holes drilled all over the place...I'm amazed.

[Mr. Belvedere]

The cars I brought attention too, were what I consider good donor cars, these cars to my mind are too expensive to fix considering for few thousand you can have decent condition driver thats complete. Trouble is everyone thinks there rusted out "pos" is worth thousands especially so out west where norm and I live. The good condition working overdrive is worth a grand to a lot of folks.

[BobT-47P15]

Say, Ed......is that a good right rear fender on the pile of s---?

I feel as if some people are un-realistic in the price they ask for a rather beat up, rusted, and worn out old car of any

kind. Some have more merit than others.......but the sellers have been seeing big prices on ebay and old car auction

places. Is the car being sold a "p o s" or a restorable vehicle????? The debate is probably never ending and the answer

rests with the viewer. You don't like????? You don't gotta buy!!!! No extra charge for the opinions expressed.

[Young Ed]

It was really rusty along the flange where it bolted on. Only really good body part on that thing was the hood. I think the grill went to someone else before I got it and I believe Robin in the UK got the interior door handles also before I got it. BTW that roof panel is in the garage still with the intention of making a floor out of it for the 51.

[Jerry Roberts]

Ya Ed , Do you need the headliner retainer strips on that POS truck ?

[Plymouthy Adams]

Last I checked it was only $475 W/ 14hrs left. Engine apparently runs good and dosen't smoke if the owner is to believed. The overdrive is the only thing that really makes this car valuable. If I lived anywhere near there I bid on it. If I was the lucky winner I'd rip the drivetrain out for my smoking 3-speed 54!

For the record boys I have seen this car in person a couple of times...parts car only in my book..again..this is my opinion based on what I have seen in person....I first looked at this car about 8 months ago and I looked at it again 'bout a month back...

[Young Ed]

Jerry I think on that truck they were rusted away. The canoe wasn't just there for storage it was covering a rust hole in the middle of the roof! The hole was about the size of a baseball. Do you need the side ones or the front windshield piece?

[62rebelP23]

i saw one of the 2dr wagons a while back... it was advertised at 450 i think, but when i stopped to look at it i was appalled. the edge of the roof, where it's welded to the top rails, was a lacy filigree of steel and rust and i'd be terrified to try towing the car home for fear of the roof actually flying off. it had lots of other problems, but if you had the time, expertise, and money to do it.... if it actually ran, i think i'd strip the body off the frame and pick it apart for patch panels, sandblast and paint the frame and put it in storage for when a better body comes along.

[Jerry Roberts]

Jerry I think on that truck they were rusted away. The canoe wasn't just there for storage it was covering a rust hole in the middle of the roof! The hole was about the size of a baseball. Do you need the side ones or the front windshield piece?

Ed , I am looking for all three pieces . As they would be difficult to ship I will hold off untill I find all three at once . Thanks

[Young Ed]

They are very difficult. The front one is about 4ft long with a bend in the middle. The piece would be ruined if it got bent. Might almost have to get a sturdy tube of some sort to ship them in.

[Plymouthy Adams]

POS in my book is one that is not worth the effort to bring back to life. Thus a POS in one person's eye may very well be a project car in another's. Most cars in the condition of the black 4 door 53 posted above is a "parts" car as the drive train is complete and stated as running. Being complete and running a loose term I call it a parts car. The boody is a 4 door, less desirable, trim is missing and pot metal beyone salvage for even daily driver use. Floors, rockers, doglegs and roof/pinch wlds shot..trunk floor rot and spare tire well eaten away. Glass cracked, clouded etc. For sure the car can render engine, tranny, OD a plus, rear gear and though the brakes need attention..they can offer up good drums etc. Spindles are nice for trade on lowered unit if you are rodding, intake/exhaust manifolds excellet core value to send off for mod while you continue driving your hoopie.

So POS is based on each individual's abilities and money available to bring back to life..

I am guilty of parting out some cars based on the above...and as Ed says, they live on in other peoples cars..I know one parts car I sold to a man here has help keep about 4-5 cars on the road and still has stuff to offer.

Parts cars and rodders keep the old iron on the road...we all benefit..then I have use what some has called POS to go tow in some rather new cars...just because my truck is 16 years old and needs a paint job, does not make it a rolling wreck..just an eyesore maybe...