eci master work with rusty hope front disc and rear drum

[Dave72dt]

. I've had 3 separate lost of brakes due to leaks on this car. 2 were steel lines blowing

Earl

 

 

That's why you replace ALL the steel lines, hoses, rebuild the cylinders  and ensure the brakes are in sound condition BEFORE you start driving it.  

[mopar_earl]

How 'bout that... That's where I am this week. Just got into town yesterday (Monday). I have training at Volvo Tue-Thu at their training center at Letterkenny.

In my back yard. Too bad you weren't here a month later and you could catch the Chrysler show in in Carlisle.

[mopar_earl]

. I've had 3 separate lost of brakes due to leaks on this car. 2 were steel lines blowing

Earl

That's why you replace ALL the steel lines, hoses, rebuild the cylinders and ensure the brakes are in sound condition BEFORE you start driving it.

Yep, but the guy I bought it off of said all that was done with new parts, not kits either. But, he only replaced the lines that were easy to do. He failed to tell me that. The blow outs all happen within a week of buying the car. Haven't driven it off the property since. Not till it has new everything with a dual master.

The new wheel cylinder was new and blew. That's why I've always been in favor of dual circuit brakes. You never know when a failure will happen, not if, when.

For my family safety and others on the road, all my antique cars will have dual circuit masters. I'm sure not everyone agrees but for me, it's a must. Not saying ppl need to do it, it's their call.

Earl

[mopar_earl]

I am completing a Rusty Hope bracket kit with a AAJ master cylinder conversion on the 49 ply project.

What I find with many of the folks I (tried to talk too) is that most are difficult to get any or all info from and most of it is via e-mail only which adds to the frustration. Rusty Hope will only converse via e-mail and I probably understand why, but it does add to the time of information and the quality of it at the needed time. But his kit is good and well thought out. Roger from AAJ will call you back and is about as helpful as it gets, however, the master cylinder kit and bracket needed a little modification (a lot) on my end for something that was supposed to bolt right on. Plus the lid sat slightly above the floor which added another element of frustration ending up having a custom lid milled and modified the cylinder lid face for screws and a front port for a remote fill. Roger said he had never heard of that happening which I found odd as this was a bone stock 49 floor with no modifications of any kind. I think in the end this will work quite well, but nothing is as it seems when going from stock to modified. Best of luck.

Thanks for that info! That's unfortunate about ajj master in ur case. Sounds like the eci would be a better choice of the two. Mines for a 52 D42 coronet.

Makes me wonder if these companies will allow you to return the item if it turns out to be like your case. Some minor mods I can handle and expect. Having a new lid milled or modifying my perfect orginal floor is not minor in my opinion. I have vacation coming up end of the month, I will be able to call these companies.

Earl

[jrhoads]

Roger (AAJ) is a really nice guy and I suspect would let you return something as long as it was in new condition and not messed up or modified.

[mopar_earl]

I just received my conversation kits. I went with all ECI front disc and master conversation. 1,080.00 shipped. It has everything. No buying parts. My car the clutch and brake don't share a common shaft so my master bracket is different. My clutch pedal is on the frame and the brake pedal only is on the master.

The kits are sweet and I'm extremely pleased. The hubs are billet with races and studs already installed. Loaded calipers with all hardware and hoses. Rotors, bearings and seals. A 2 psi residual valve. The 10 psi for the rear is internal to the master. Ralf was who I dealt with and he was great.

I will post how the install goes. I did grab a GM combination valve from summit to install as well. We are using stainless steel line nuts, dot 5 fluid and that copper nickel alloy brake tubing. Also ran all new fuel line with the copper nickel alloy with stainless line nuts.

Should mention new rear cylinders and hose. Shoes were new. Also installed new parking brake shoes on the Gyromatic.

Earl

Edited September 23, 2015 by mopar_earl

[jrhoads]

The only reason I did not go with ECI was the fact the calipers would not fit the stock wheels... (clearance)

[mopar_earl]

The only reason I did not go with ECI was the fact the calipers would not fit the stock wheels... (clearance)

He said they may or may not fit the stock wheels. He told me how to measure to see. I'm using 1994 Lincoln Town car aluminum wheels so I should be good.

Originally I was gonna go with rusty hope but ECI needed to know info about the rusty hope kit that I didn't have answers for to get the correct master cylinder. My buddy gave me those rims and I had planned on putting modern rims on it anyways so u just ordered it all from ECI.

Earl

Edited September 24, 2015 by mopar_earl

[jrhoads]

Sounds like you should be OK. But I know for a fact the ECI wont fit stock rim.

[mopar_earl]

Sounds like you should be OK. But I know for a fact the ECI wont fit stock rim.

I plan to see if they will fit the stock rim out of curiosity. I won't use them as I want modern radial rims and tires.

Eci kit for my car has 11" vented rotors and large GM calipers.

Earl

[Niel Hoback]

I would be interested to know if they don't fit, and what it would take to make them fit stock wheels. Thanks.

[jrhoads]

I keep telling you guys... they wont fit... and you wont be able to make them fit stock wheels. I studied this very carefully... but hey, have at 'er...

The large calipers wont clear the wheel. I really wanted to go with ECI, but I wanted to retain the stock wheels for now so I went with Charlies setup (Rusty Hope) No regrets but I would suspect the larger calipers are going to buy a bit more stopping power.

Edited September 24, 2015 by jrhoads

[mopar_earl]

I keep telling you guys... they wont fit... and you wont be able to make them fit stock wheels. I studied this very carefully... but hey, have at 'er...

So your saying stock rims are all the same from the 40's through the late 50's? I can only go by what ECI said. They say they may or may not fit and they show how to measure to see. I can't attach a pic from my cell or I'd upload the measurement instructions. But I'm still going to see if my stock 1952 Coronet rims will fit or not. Will only take seconds to see. Lol

Earl

[Niel Hoback]

Thank you, I can stop looking at ECI. That's what I wanted to know.

[jrhoads]

So your saying stock rims are all the same from the 40's through the late 50's? I can only go by what ECI said. They say they may or may not fit and they show how to measure to see. I can't attach a pic from my cell or I'd upload the measurement instructions. But I'm still going to see if my stock 1952 Coronet rims will fit or not. Will only take seconds to see. Lol

Earl

 

Maybe you have magic rims?    Seriously, who knows maybe your Coronet rims may have enough give. I doubt it, but I would like to know myself so please let us all know. I would be happy to be wrong! 

 

They say they may or may not fit    

 

I think it would do ECI a favor if they would simply find out if they fit or not and tell the prospective customer. They list the year application, I dont know why they can't list if it works with stock wheels or not.

I measured according to their specs and it was a no go for me.

Edited September 24, 2015 by jrhoads

[mopar_earl]

Maybe you have magic rims? Seriously, who knows maybe your Coronet rims may have enough give. I doubt it, but I would like to know myself so please let us all know. I would be happy to be wrong!

They say they may or may not fit

I think it would do ECI a favor if they would simply find out if they fit or not and tell the prospective customer. They list the year application, I dont know why they can't list if it works with stock wheels or not.

I measured according to their specs and it was a no go for me.

I'm not using my original rims but I will see if they fit and will reply on here so if anyone is wondering. They also offer 10" disc kit for cars with 10" drums. They would be smaller brakes and may fit the stock rims on the 10" cars or if you want to downgrade, put the 10" on the 11" car?? Eci guy said some stock rims do fit but they don't know any details.

Wish I could upload pics from my cell as I have the measurement instructions that would probably benefit others.

Earl

[mopar_earl]

Update, the ECI bracket fit perfectly and is correct. It's a great kit. My car uses a different bracket than others on here. My clutch pedal is on the frame. I'm taking pics of the install.

I had ordered the bushing that Don did to make his pedal(s) snug. I didn't need it as the play is snug on my bracket.

I will keep updating. So far the master kit is awesome.

Earl

[mopar_earl]

My 52 stock rims do not fit the ECI discs. Close but no go. Fortunately I didn't expect them to and I'm not using them anyways. But for those that want to use their stock rims and if car is a 52ish, they probably won't fit with ECI. They use big rotors and big calipers.

Earl

[jrhoads]

Ok, I wont say anything...

[Plymouthy Adams]

you just did you cheese eater.....lol

 

on some of these installs a just a tad of grinding of the hump on the caliper will often allow for use with 15 stock wheels...BUT if they mount inboard too much..no amount of grinding will get you home..

[mopar_earl]

you just did you cheese eater.....lol

on some of these installs a just a tad of grinding of the hump on the caliper will often allow for use with 15 stock wheels...BUT if they mount inboard too much..no amount of grinding will get you home..

I didn't look that close to see if grinding the calipers would allow them to fit. It may of may not. The rim was about a 1/4" from seating against the rotor.

Earl

[mopar_earl]

Ok, I wont say anything...

You can say anything you want. Well if the censorship allows it. lol

Earl

[jrhoads]

Ha... at least we have two confirmations now Earl.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Also everyone utilizing these kits NEED to report back to the company so changes can be made in the production, instructions or advertising.  DO not just say it did not work...provide factual data as to what was wrong and if you come about a workaround...include that.  Help build the better mousetrap.  I have provided feedback to a couple companies that did result in advertisement changes.  The community can work together albeit it painful at times.

[jrhoads]

you just did you cheese eater.....lol

 

on some of these installs a just a tad of grinding of the hump on the caliper will often allow for use with 15 stock wheels...BUT if they mount inboard too much..no amount of grinding will get you home..

 

Yep. Dat's me...  ha ha