Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Just a few photos tonight to show that BobToft, Blueskies and his son and I made it to Tulsa in good shape. Photo 1 - My "Aunt Margaret" on the left (1949 P18 Deluxe) and the easily recognized '50 of Pete "Blueskies" Anderson on the right in the Double Tree parking garage. Photo 2 - Pete and son Joseph talk to Tom, a '50 Plymouth owner from Albuquerque. Photo 3 - Bob Toft stops by to visit and we show the P15-D24 colors. Quote
blueskies Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Photo 2 - Pete and son Joseph talk to Tom, a '50 Plymouth owner from Albuquerque. Spending time with Tom Elsinhorst was a real treat. We passed him in Oklahoma City on our way to Tulsa, pulled up along side him and surprised him a bit... He didn't expect to see another '50 to show up out of the blue. He apparently has quite an extensive collection of everything related to 1950 Plymouths. We are passing through Albuquerque today, and if he is home by the time we get there, we are going to try and visit his collection. If you ever get a chance to chat with him, it's worth the effort... Pete Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Here are some views of Tom's car. It was parked next to mine and just across the isle from Pete's. I think we had at least three 1950 Plymouth's and two 1949 Plymouth's in the POC section along with Bob's P15 convertible and another P15 Coupe. One of Tom's interesting accessories was the Hill Holder feature.....an early line lock used in drag cars to lock the brakes. I guess the original design was used in 1948 or 1949 Studebakers but was made a Plymouth option in about 1951 or 1952 and it later showed up as an accessory for 1949 and 1950 Plymouths as well. Quote
Young Ed Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Alright you guys should know by now you can't post a glimpse of an old pickup without posting a picture of the whole truck. Who's got one?! Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Oops......didn't mean to tantalize too much. Nice, very nice 1941. Built from a basket-case. Quote
Young Ed Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Very nice. Really makes me want to get back to building my 40 ply pickup. I've located most of the pieces now Quote
Furylee2 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Sorry, I meant to take a picture of it, but didn't. It's Terry Lash's 41 Plymouth pickup Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Yep....this one got a LOT of attention. I didn't write down the owners name but I did talk to him for a while and know how to get in touch with him if anyone is interested. He has been quite active in POC or at least was at one time. Quote
Young Ed Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Now that I see the truck and see the owners name in Lee's post I think I've met him before too. I think in 2000 at the POC meet in S Dakota. Quote
Furylee2 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 He's into 41's pretty heavy. He restored a 41 sedan that has one top awards. He didn't restore this truck though, he bought it from one of our Prairie Region members, Bill Leonhardt. Beautiful truck! Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Here are a few more photos including one of Bob's car and one of Pete's. Plus one that has a little something for everyone. And, I would be remiss not to get the photo of Joseph with the two "old guys" in. He (and his younger brother who is 6 and not quite old enough to journey this far with dad yet) are very important players in this undertaking and I understand that Joseph has been working on a journal recounting his adventures on this trip. Maybe he will share a story or two with us one of these days soon. I do know that he is an avid fan of all sorts of aircraft and that he particularly likes the new F-22 Raptors but is partial to the F-14 Tomcats as well. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 A question for you POC guys......I wonder if this gathering in Tulsa brought together more old Plyms, especially the 57's, than normal. I would think it likely did. There were not all that many P15s or D24s in the crowd, and ours was the only ragtop. That sort of surprised me. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 I thought this was pretty cool.....Lee had a sign where they used his car as a model for a scale model Belvedere convertible. I kept running into the two guys who had spent the night on Wednesday in Joplin. We went out to the motel and visited with them and took pics of their cars. The fellow who owns this 52 Belvedere is Bob Cuomo, from Illinois. And a gentleman named Jim, from Michigan, owns the 57 Plym. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Johnny, that old car with the stuff all over it struck me as something in the neighborhood of Lou Earle's model A jitney. Did you see that the owner of that vehicle also had a remote controlled skunk?? Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 No, I missed on the remote controlled skunk. Was it a Plymouth skunk? Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 A question for you POC guys......I wonder if this gathering in Tulsa brought together more old Plyms, especially the 57's, than normal. I would think it likely did.There were not all that many P15s or D24s in the crowd, and ours was the only ragtop. That sort of surprised me. ::::::::::::::::::: Bob, I was surprised that there were very very few early 1940 and pre-1940 Mopars at all. One would be hard pressed to ever see that many '57's in one place ever again. I hope to be able to see a large gathering of P15's and similar vintage vehicles all in one place some day. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 You would think, given the bidding on P15 parts on ebay, that there must be a ton of 46-48's being restored. Maybe they are just not ready for prime time yet and still in the garage. They (and D24s) are usually in short supply at shows and cruises. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 :::::::::::::::::::Bob, I was surprised that there were very very few early 1940 and pre-1940 Mopars at all. One would be hard pressed to ever see that many '57's in one place ever again. I hope to be able to see a large gathering of P15's and similar vintage vehicles all in one place some day. All you have to do is bury your P15 for 50 years and get everyone together to dig it back up again. Should get several folks together Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Ya...could work....but that would be a LITTLE late for me. I'm kinda of the opinion that maybe a P15-D24 and associated age class reunion (plus any other Plymouth that wants to attend) could be a hoot. By the way.....if you are ever going to bury another car....weld it inside a big steel pipe like the smaller time capsule was in Tulsa. The documents, flags, declarations, list of guesses on the population of Tulsa in 2007 and other misc stuff came out of the welded up propane tank as good as the day they were put in there. And that tank was under water for most of the 50 years it looked like. If they had done that with Miss Belvedere they could have driven here out of the tube with a small amount of work. Unless of course the welds failed. Quote
Johnny S Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Posted June 18, 2007 Here's the link to my Photobucket Album with about 250 plus other photos related to the Tulsa 2007 trip. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v144/49plymouthclubcoupe/Tulsa%202007/ Quote
Normspeed Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 Great shots, you really covered some ground. And the unveiling photos are even better than the ones the media released. Did they say who won the car based on the population estimates of Tulsa in 07? Any plans to try and clean it up now that the show is over? It looks scuzzy in the pics but also looks like a lot of that stuff might clean off of the body. I would imagine the car will have considerable value even as it is, due to what it's been through. Quote
Johnny S Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Posted June 19, 2007 Yes, the indoor shots didn't come out too bad all things considered. I was able to get a good steady rest and shot without a flash. There was a lot of pagentry to say the least. It got stretched out a little much to suit my tired butt but then again you don't do this kind of deal very often. Lots of lights and music and bubbles and smoke (and mirrors?) and camera angles. You all would have just "loved" Boyd Coddington......"Ya...it's junk!" Not quite his exact quote but clearly his overtly expressed sentiment. The population guesses were handed over to the business firm of Deloitte and Touche to be "reviewed and reported on" in about a week or so. I believe they said something like "In a week from this coming Wednesday." I'm not sure they know exactly what they are going to do with Miss Belvedere herself. The local sentiment was "leave her exactly as is and display her as she came out of the time capsule". However, there were at least two alleged offers to "restore it" for free. But to give you an idea on how much rust damage there was in the car.....when they opened the trunk the support structure for the trunk shell fell into the trunk....all of the supports had rusted completely away. The seats were completely gone in a pile of mush on the floor. The Schlitz beer cans inside the car looked like stalagmites in a cave with all of the accumulated rust on them. They couldn't even roll the car let alone try to turn the engine over. In the promos for the car they had indicated that the battery was disconnected and placed in the trunk..........WRONG......it was still in the engine compartment and hooked up. I bet they take it to Branson, Missouri or some car museum in Tulsa, stick it in an air conditioned and humidity controlled room under plexiglass and just display it. Or, alternatively.....do nothing with it and see what happens. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Posted June 19, 2007 I think the deal was that the person coming closest to guessing the 2007 population of Tulsa wins the car. Soooo....since they found the intact postcards with guesses and names, then someone or their heirs should become proud owners. However, if no one is found or comes forward, I think the car remains in the hands of the Historical Society. From there, who knows?? I don't think they even know where the title is, unless it was in the glove box.....if so, gone. Not sure if there is a tax liability for the value of the car today. So it's not real simple. Quote
JerseyHarold Posted June 19, 2007 Report Posted June 19, 2007 Miss Belvedere is a prime candidate for POR-15...lots and lots of it. Just coat the inside of all the sheetmetal and it will firm it up and stop the rust all at the same time! Quote
steveplym Posted June 19, 2007 Report Posted June 19, 2007 Sorry, I meant to take a picture of it, but didn't. It's Terry Lash's 41 Plymouth pickup I met him years ago at an antique car show. He had a few very nice p-15's at one time. I assume he still lives in Edwardsville, IL.? Quote
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