Booker T Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 I finally got back from a couple weeks out of town for work and started in on my engine again over the weekend. Things were going along pretty well, after this picture I installed the oil pump, fuel pump, HEI distributor and started bending some copper lines... ...then I went home and started looking through some pictures I had taken along the way and a thought hit me. During the assembly I put the timing chain on to make sure everything was right and was going to take it back off to put all of the bolts that go into the plate that bolts to the block(the ones not in the timing chain cover). But, as I think about it I don't remember pulling the chain back off to put the bolts in that are partially covered by the chain sprocket. I keep trying to remember back but I just can't remember! Even worse, some of the bolts I had taken out originally were in pretty bad shape and I had replaced them so I had extra bolts laying around when I was done anyway! So, tomorrow it looks like I will be pulling the front of the motor back apart and checking to see if I put the bolts in! I guess it is better safe than sorry and as much as my head hurts from banging it against my desk, I am glad i thought about this now... Quote
thrashingcows Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 Ahh that sucks....But I've been there before too. I once had to pull the oil pan off my 340, in car, 3 times before I remembered to re-install everything to do with the oil pump re/re.... Like you said, better safe then sorry. And at least it's not "in car" and you have to hang over the front end to do all this. Quote
Guest bewillie Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 Be sure the 3 bolts you put the cam sproket on with are sholder bolts and NOT treaded all the way. Quote
aero3113 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 Hey Booker, what does you new seal look like on your timing cover? Does it look like the one on the right with the lip? Also did you install the felt between the crank pully and cover? Quote
Booker T Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Posted February 22, 2011 Be sure the 3 bolts you put the cam sproket on with are sholder bolts and NOT treaded all the way. Thanks. Most of the fasteners I took out I did a good job of bagging and labeling. Then if there were any that looked questionable or the threads did not clean up well, I took to a local fastener place and replaced with same design. The mistake I made was I put the new ones and the old ones back in the same bag. So, when I finish each section I have had some bolts, etc. left over so I don't have a good "are there any bolts left over" check. Oh well, lesson learned...next time I will separate the old fasterns I have replaced... Quote
Booker T Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Posted February 22, 2011 Hey Booker, what does you new seal look like on your timing cover? Does it look like the one on the right with the lip? Also did you install the felt between the crank pully and cover? The one I got in my kit looked like the one on the right. But, I am pretty sure that is what the one that came out looked like. Also, on my pulley there is an indentation and several "punched out" tabs to secure the felt washer so I did use the one that came with my kit... Quote
Booker T Posted February 23, 2011 Author Report Posted February 23, 2011 Ahh that sucks....But I've been there before too. I once had to pull the oil pan off my 340, in car, 3 times before I remembered to re-install everything to do with the oil pump re/re....Like you said, better safe then sorry. And at least it's not "in car" and you have to hang over the front end to do all this. Well, as it turned out, I had left that bolt out! So, I am much happier that I was "safe" and took the front of the engine apart again. Actaully, the biggest pain was that we had just welded up an engine stand that used the motor mounts in order to mock up my transmission (converting to a T5) and I had to get it back off that with the crane and put it back on the engine stand and then transfer it all back again. I guess I could have left it on the crane but those things make me a little nervous and I hate working on a motor that is swinging around. Otherwise, everything went pretty smooth! Quote
Joe Flanagan Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 All this is painfully familiar. I couldn't remember whether I'd installed the welch plug that goes in the front of the block and had to take everything apart. It was there. Quote
bobostski Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Remember, Any job worth doing is worth doing is worth doing twice. Quote
Joe Flanagan Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 With some of this stuff, I'd consider doing it twice getting away with murder! Quote
Niel Hoback Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 The first time is "on-the-job-training", the second one is "doing it right". The third time, well, thats just practice so you'll remember how you did it. Quote
JIPJOBXX Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Boy I did this a few times when I worked for the Navy Department as a Marine Machinist. Nothing like over thinking a job and the more you do the more you worry. I never had a big problem creep up but I always tried to do a 110 percent on any equipment that I might have had to repair. With the Dodge I did have a spare bracket show up after I put the whole car together and never did figure out where that unit went. Oh well as long as the rear tire doesn't come oft while going down the street. Quote
Specialdeluxe47 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Hey do not forget to seal the threads some of those bolts go in to the cooling system if I am remebering right. Here is a picture I have copied from the other thread called "Engine Renoval" Dogeb4ya had posted this great pic. Edited February 24, 2011 by Specialdeluxe47 Quote
Booker T Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Hey do not forget to seal the threads some of those bolts go in to the cooling system if I am remebering right. Here is a picture I have copied from the other thread called "Engine Renoval" Dogeb4ya had posted this great pic.[ATTACH]24577[/ATTACH] Yep, I put teflon thread sealer on all the bolts marked in that picture. Actually, the first time I put it together i got a little over enthusiastic and put it on all the bolts (even the ones that just go into the plate). That stuff gets everywhere...so the second time I got it on just the ones that needed it! Edited February 24, 2011 by Booker T Quote
Booker T Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Posted February 24, 2011 I was looking through some pictures I had on the computer...I found one of the engine bay when I first got the car to the shop. The other picture is where I was when I left the shop the other night... Quote
Joe Flanagan Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 That's incredible. What's with the extra temp sensor hanging loose in the original engine? Quote
Booker T Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Posted February 24, 2011 That's incredible. What's with the extra temp sensor hanging loose in the original engine? That was the factory gauge. The PO had run a secondary gauge and had mounted under the dash. I have pulled the entire dash out and I am organizing the wiring a little better and adding some connectors for easier removal in the future. I have already rewired the car but will need to make a few changes. I have the gauge panel out of the dash and hope one day to have enough cash to repair / replace the original gauges but for now I am going to run a 3 gauge cluster either in the glove box, under the dash, etc. (temp, oil pressure, amps). I also have a tach to mount on the column...just need to get the cup and mounting hardware. Quote
Jim Saraceno Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 That's another reason to keep taking pictures with every step you do something. I took several hundred pictures during my engine rebuild and still there were times I wish I had taken more. That was four years ago and still have those "Did I....?" moments from time to time and I can usually look at my pictures and answer that question. Quote
Robert Horne Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Same with me Jim. I bought my 38s in 1986. Glad I took a few pictures, back then, and more each year. I have a lot of those "Did I", and "Where does this go" moments. Quote
aero3113 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 Looking good Booker:cool:! There is a bunch of good builds going on right now! Quote
Booker T Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Posted February 25, 2011 Looking good Booker:cool:! There is a bunch of good builds going on right now! Thanks for the kind words! Yep, I have been following your thread and your build. I need to take the time and organize my pictures and do a more thorough thread on the build (like yours!). The only disappointing thing for me is that even once I get the motor and new tranny put in, it is just going to be a new motor and tranny in a car that still needs TONS of work. But, I think just getting it back on the road is going to keep me motivated to stay working on it more dilligently and hopefully not have the 4-5 month gaps in progress. Also, I have another project "in the queue" that I am itching to get going on. My plan is to make it the "shop truck"... Quote
laynrubber Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 Doing a search on timing covers and lots of pages come up, this being one. I was searching on installing the front mount and timing cover......couldn't remember which bolts go where and knew there was a bolt sealing coolant. BINGO someone labeled it wonderfully. THANKS I owe someone a beer. Nuther question though.....there are 3 bolts that go into the water jacket, why does only the "outer" one have a copper washer ??? Quote
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