bought a set of manifolds

[michael.warshaw]

does it matter they they did not come with my car is there any way to tell, like numbers mathing on a corvette. does it affect the value at all?

[michael.warshaw]

im sure they can tell if the motor was origanal to the car, but waht about the heads?

[Frank Elder]

does it matter they they did not come with my car is there any way to tell, like numbers mathing on a corvette. does it affect the value at all?

Nothing you do to your car is going to make it worth over 15 grand tops, unless you find some one who doesn't know any better, so stop worrying about number matching it doesn't even apply to these cars...

[michael.warshaw]

but can they tell if, the headers were not origanal.

[dezeldoc]

Only by part # or casting date, and then it is hit or miss. their are not to many records on these cars so unlike a muscle car you will not make or break it.

[Rollie���]

Heads have casting dates, intake manifolds do not. These cars will never be seen as an investment when comparing them to the "muscle Mopars".

90% of future buyers probably don't care whether a flathead Mopar is 100% matching numbers or not.

[dezeldoc]

Rollie what are all the funny diamonds by your name for?

[Rollie���]

(OT) I wanted to have a six character name when the minimum is eight. I thought I was being slick, you see diamonds?!?

[dezeldoc]

diamonds with a ? in the middle.

[BobT-47P15]

I'd say would be pretty difficult to tell if original manifolds or not.

Don't know that they look at that in POC judging.

The thing is, about a lot of stuff on our cars, the general public has no

clue if the parts are exactly original and correct or not. You, as the

owner, will likely be the only person to know, and perhaps care.

So, unless you plan to enter shows for judging by the Plymouth Owners

Club, the exactness will not be a big factor. At the everyday weekend

car shows, the judges look at various aspects of the car, such as engine,

interior, paint and so forth.......but do not require exact originality in most

cases. A nicely cleaned and painted engine bay will get points.

Yes, it's great to have nice chrome trim like the horn center and dash

trim. Most of the time, people in general just see the fact that things

appear shiny and nice.

So, go ahead and make it as nice as you want - just don't worry about

what viewers will think. Sometimes you just have to wait for a new

old stock item to turn up on ebay or at a swap meet. It's difficult to

be in a hurry for certain parts. You can program ebay to notify you

when certain specific things appear. Have not done that, but I think

it's possible.

[Andydodge]

There are 3 different exhaust manifolds that I am aware of for the 23" engine, front dump with the outlet at # 3, mid-rear dump with the outlet between #5 & 6 and end dump with the outlet just past # 6 cylinder.........there maybe more but these are the 3 that I've seen...........as for what years they are off....who knows......lol.....tho' the 41 Plymouth I have uses an example of the mid-rear dump manifold & its factory stock........trust this helps a bit..........andyd

[desoto1939]

Mike:

If you put headers on your car thenthe jusdges will defeinately know that these were not original. You have used the wrong term for the manifold. Headers is a collection of the exhaust pipes so that they are equal in length to permit the exhust to leave the engine and get rid of the back pressure.

I have done AACA judging and the guys that are looking at the engine compartment will not know if they were not original equipment with your car.

You can also have the wrong engine in the car and by this i mean that the small L6 froma different year could be in the car and they will not know it. It just has to look like it is the correct engine. They do not look at the serila numbers that are stamped onthe block.

But when you go to sell the car and someone has done there homework they possibly could tell you if the engine has been replaced. Also I would suggest that if you are going for an AACA car that you get the AACA judging book sent to your home. This will explain the entire process and what they are looking for. Also remember that the jusdges that might be looking at your car might not know anything about your car. They are jusding on the appearance of the car iand if things look to be period correct.

Example: if you used the modern clamp on wire connectors instead of the soddered on type, If you used plastic wires instead of the cloth covered wire and if the cloth covered wires have the wires in a loom or if they are taped in plastic or cloth. If you have radials instead of bias-ply tires. If the car had 16 inch tires and you have 15 tires. If you converted over to sealed beam headlight whenthe car origanally had bulbs. If the car had bulbs in the headlights thatn you can not have a sealed beam fog light on the car since these would not have been produced. These are the things that are being judged.

rich Hartung

[michael.warshaw]

ye i hear all that, its not easy to make it oem driver almost impossible.

[james curl]

Michael, why do you want a OEM original driver? If you drive it as a driver and by that I mean 4,000 to 7,000 miles a year you will spend all of your time detailing and cleaning the car. I detailed the complete bottom side and firewall forward in 2007 and have driven it over 10,000 miles since. It needs to be sandblasted to bare metal on the entire bottom side and repainted after driving through the salt brine at Bonneville that summer. About half of the paint on the undercarriage is gone now. The engine has been washed so many times that the paint is faded now and the carburetors need to be disassembled and cleaned and the outsides polished along with the intake manifold. A driver is hard to keep looking new. Now if driver means rolling it out of the trailer behind the shopping center and driving it around to the front and through the show and call it a driver then you might be able to keep ahead of the maintenance. Don't take my word for it,ask Normspeed, Blue Skies, Greg, Lou and Don about keeping them looking just restoration fresh and driving them.

[Jim Saraceno]

I'm not sure I have it all straight. You mentioned heads and headers. Are you using those terms for the manifolds?

I don't believe any of those cars came with headers.

As far as manifolds goes, there are several changes over the years. Some have holes tapped for vacuum lines or throttle links and that has changed over the years. The big difference is the carburetor mount and the exhaust flange. They have also changed over the years and if you have the wrong one you're going to have a problem hooking up your carb or exhaust.

[michael.warshaw]

i bought stock intake manifold in great condition, and stock exhaust manifold. i guess there not headers.