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[Captain Neon]

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The constitution was not meant to be the absolute law of the land when it drawn up in 1776. Just like a law out of a law book is not the final word. They are just basic guidelines to govern by. Do you want to go back to the way of life we had in 1776? I don't. So.....as time changes, so does the law. In fact, the law changes a little every time a particular law is used in court. It changes based on the decision a judge makes in any particular case. Therefore, the next time that particular law is used in court, a lawyer can then refer back to the judges decision in a prior case that gave a different outcome. Then it's up to the current judge to deem whether or not that prior decision pertains, or the basic law is uses. It's called case law. You can't go by the law book alone.

I agree, congress is the only one who can declare war, not the President. But.........at the same time the constitution says it's up to the President to protect the country and it's people. Since the President is also the "Commander and Chief" of the military, the constitution gives him the broad power to order the military anywhere to protect the country and the people in an emergency. It's up to him to determine what that threat may be, since you can't wait around and wait for a vote from congress in an emergency. This is how we got into Iraq, etc. The President was using the military to go after terrorist that had attacked us first. Then if you remember, congress backed that up, except for one or two votes. And, most American's were also behind the President when that came up. Even though the politicians may be agreeing with you in public, they are still behind that effort behind the scenes. Otherwise, they wouldn't keep funding it. We all voted for those people in congress as well as the President.

The same basic things as above also give congress and the President the power to institute new laws as long as they don't go against the constitution. Medicare for example isn't part of the constitution. But........it is a law, since our elected officials put in there.

So, in essence. The people put all the other laws on the books, because that's what they ask for when they voted for their representatives, according to the basic constitution.[/quote']

Sorry, Norm. I have to strenuously disagree. I have read Madison's notes as well as Robert Yates (another delegate to the Constitution Convention of 1787). What you state above was proposed by Alexander Hamilton and a few other monarchists, and strenuously opposed by the majourity of those delegates. Do I want a government like we had in 1787? You betcha! Where do I sign up?!?

BTW, we ALL didn't vote for the members of Congress or the President. Most of us voted "none of the above." Whether we stayed home and didn't validate the sham elections with our presence, or actually marked "none of the above" on the ballot. Most people eligible to vote did/do not vote. Every candidate running for office in my area promised to violate their oath of office (therefore making them ineligible) before they ever took office.

[kevinanderson]

Well, the the topic of politics turning stinky has held true. And I see it possibly heading toward the religion trail. I think we need to go back to Dodges and Plymouths.

[eric wissing]

Amen, brother