Roadkingcoupe

So this thread had me thinking about the filter on the 41 Plodge (Plymouth bodied Dodge coupe). It is a PB 1/2 and needs to be changed. This would be the ideal time to go to the drop in cartridge style. At $50 a filter the PB 1/2 is starting to get pricey for an oil change. Would a FRAM drop in filter (NORS fresh out of the box) be a deduction on points at a judged meet? Is there a benefit going from a PB 1/2 disposable to another Fram bypass style cartridge (drop in) oil filter? Thanks for your response(s). p.s. when searching around for the oil filters I came across an NOS new in the box MoPaR (PB 1/2) Oil filter with the MoPaR logo right on it. neat!

I believe that Pat S is correct in the assumption that the door jam # is the original engine #. I have owned a car from the US that was registered to the motor # as the VIN. The tag maybe phony but I too believe the # is the original engine # as found on the motor and the frame.

Looks like 49 Desoto? fender trim. p.s. my 39 Plymouth Coupe was built in Evansville Indiana.

Hi Tim, The 1941 Plymouth panel delivery is dressed up as a P12 with the bumper wings, P12 dash, chrome welting and it even has the optional passenger seat. As far as I understand all the optional car accessories were available for the Panel delivery (but very few were shipped out like the one pictured). Please don't forget to mention how hard it is to install the chrome welting with out kinking it! Especially on a vehicle with so many tight turns/curves. Like two children from the same mother and a different father. 1941 Plymouth Panel delivery 1941 Plymouth bodied Canadian made Dodge D20 A/S Coupe.

Hope someone finds these photos of interest.

In the photo the bottom left shows a P8 The car second in on the left is a P7 Only the P8 had the belt molding the P7 had the short delete molding as seen on the hood of the second car in.

the trunk lid for a 1941 D20/21 Dodge (Cdn built) and the US Plymouth P11/12 are the same. part #'s may differ but they are the same. Including the same Brake/License plate light/trunk handle and assembly. only the Dodge script replaces the Plymouth medallion with the ship sailing into the sunset. It would be unusual to see a Canadian Dodge in the states but obviously these cars migrated between the two countries. The Canadian Dodge (Kingsway) must have turned some heads in the US. It looks like a US Dodge as it approaches and looks like a Plymouth as it drives away.

The 1940 coupe had two hinge styles: an internal hinge and an external hinge as well. In addition I have a 1939 Plymouth coupe that came with the 1940 style hinge as well (or at least they fit). Currently I do have a set of each style. PM me with contact info.........easier to explain the differences. Here is a hint....the 1939 Plymouth coupe hinge was solid cast metal. The 1940 coupe hinge is a two piece unit with an inner steel frame and an extremely thin cast pot metal cover or shell. Contact me for pictures or info on getting the right ones. Hope that helps......

They were used as cars when new... including driving in winter. There are many winter items beside chains. Block heaters that go in a frost plug. Block heaters that replaced a head bolt. Winter fronts (both vinyl/fabric or sheetmetal styles) that reduce or stop the air flow into the radiator were often "monogramed" with the "Plymouth" logo. There was accessory heated window defrosters that stuck on the windows with suction cups. Feel free to add to the list as memory allows..... There is a ski resort (Arapahoe Basin) in Colorado very close to the continental divide at 10750-13050 vertical feet. They receive 350" inches of snow a year (just shy of 30 feet). The resort is "OLD SCHOOL" and still has pictures of 1946 cars in the parking lot the very first year of operation. In the picture is a parking lot full of "period" vehicles including a P15 that most likely drove up from the "front range" which is around 5000 vertical feet. So after the war in winter, skiers fitted their vehicles with tire chains climbing almost 6000 feet on old Highway #6 (the second scariest road I have ever been on) to enjoy the fun. http://www.jamesniehues.com/lgimages/LovelandPass-CO.jpg Unfortunately the same parking lot is at the bottom of an avalanche chute. Avalanches have hit the parking lot, cars were buried which crushed some cars.

Here is a link to some working/running miniature scale model motors. fascinating stuff check it out. http://www.classicoldsmobile.com/forums/general-discussion/21099-miniature-v-8-v12-engines-run.html

Primer (rattlecan) is porous which would allow moisture followed by rust. Flat/Matte finish paint would be the way to go.

search under "Canadian" or "Industrial" etc. the search function will check the whole site not just the car side.

To the OP some thoughts: - while you are looking for industrial engines keep an eye out for large Dodge truck motors...out of 2 or 3 tonne? truck. Some have the only Original Equipment Manufatured DCPD DUAL carb intake manifold! -the rad on a 1939 Plymouth CDN (Canadian) and a US built vehicle differs in that the mounting flanges are reversed and flipped backwards....pushing the rad forward in the car by 2".....smart move Chrysler Canada. -I can take pictures in a week or so, of the front cross member of a 1941 CDN car. Should be the same as a 1946-1948. The difference between the US and Canadian cars has been partially documented on this forum and can be searched. Check other posts by roadkingcoupe where you will find discussions on the topic. But unquestionably Don C. is the go to guy on the subject.

I believe in 1938 the Windsor Ontario Canada Chrysler engine plant (across the river from Detroit) opened and after that day all Canadian vehicles received the 25" Windsor manufactured engines. Probably had something to do with trade or tariffs pre dating free trade, auto pacts and "content" rules. Interesting to note: - most of the frames have mounting holes for two locations of the radiator surround. - the radiator on a 1939 US Plymouth car and a 1939 Plymouth Canadian car is the same but the mounting "flanges" were flipped rearward to force the rad to sit 1-1/2 to 2" forward to allow for clearance of the fan.

The three types of D24/D25 grills I have seen are Stainless (original, US cars only?) Pot Metal found on Canadian models (probably Export and AUS as well) Aluminum (after market? NORS?) 1946-1948 Desoto sedan S-11 taxis were common and I have seen a replacement (non-MoPaR) aluminum S11 Desoto grill that was NORS. Problem was that aluminum castings were coarse and poor quality and hard to polish. The Stainless and chrome plated pot metal grills are the ones that look the best IMHO. The pot metal grills tend to crumble from the inside and are expensive to prepare and re-chrome. For that kind of money I would wait for a Stainless steel grill in good condition that can be straightened and polished. The stainless grills rarely rust, they can be found.

Hi Bill, I really enjoyed your post. Excellent info, clear and precise. Keep on posting!

I am unaware of a 1942 A/S Coupe. Probably made them but 42's are rare. It seems there are more parts then cars for a 1942 model year. Slightly off topic, I do have an NOS military version of the 1941 Plymouth center grill medallion. It is army green and lacks the bright chrome plating and beautiful cloisone details. Looks like they were building military/blackout 41's before the well known black out vehicles of 1942.

Hi Thom, Just wanted to mention that my earlier posting proves the short roof line Businessman's coupe rear seat was no myth in 1941. The P15 really was based on the same body as P11/P12 minus the external running boards with improved "modern styling cues". Which brings the discussion to which body style version do you like? Businessman's Coupe vs. Club Coupe, 1941 vs.1946-1948 Last full year of pre-war construction...1941 or newer and improved version the post-war 1946-1948 P15 Plymouth.

Hi Greg hows it going. Remember looking at the blue CDN 1941 Plymouth bodied Dodge from the POC meet in Detroit? It was an A/S coupe. To answer the original posters question. It goes like this. There are Business man's coupes and Club coupes. - Most BUT not all business mans coupes are front bench seats only. With fixed 1/4 (passenger) windows -Most Club Coupes have a backseat. With roll down passenger windows. However the wise men at Chrysler made a 1941 Plymouth/Canadian Dodge A/S Coupe or what is called an Auxiliary Seat Coupe. This model featured the rather attractive business coupe roof line and the trunk area was shortened to accommodate a folding bench back/seat bottom. This allowed the owner to choose how to use the space for cargo or passenger space. The seat bottom cleverly hid and folded away under the vertical seat back (which was hinged upwards). The passengers were seated in a forward facing position. A stroke of brilliance allows the seat bottoms to be operated individually so half the space would seat a passenger and the other half could still be used for cargo. Simple yet brilliant design. The easiest way to tell if your 41 was at one time an AUX cpe is the placement of the spare tire. As mentioned earlier the some business coupes had the spare tire mounted behind the drivers seat on the Aux. coupe the spare lies flat in the trunk in the rear pass. side corner. Photo attached (hopefully)

The 1939/1940 Plymouth cloisone front medallion looks identical but they differ in the mounting studs. 1939 has two thin threaded mounting studs, the 1940 has two fat non threaded studs (secured with a clip). Easily interchangeable by drilling out the holes in the stainless steel vertical grill molding. Even the 1941 medallion looks the same but has one centrally located threaded stud and an additional backing plate. The detail on them is great.

Not if you live in Canada!

"There is always an inch.........until you hit it"

"A single lift consisted of two sleds pulled up the hill by a cable running on the ground and powered by a truck engine, serving three runs, "Schuss", "Granny" and "Kandahar'." Sounds like the truck engine must have been the flathead 6 Dodge:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Mountain_%28ski_resort%29#History

I spoke to an old timer up near Georgian Bay, Canada. He told me of a great story about the first SKI lift up at Blue Mountain that replaced the horse drawn sled the skiers used to take up a service road. So he goes on to say that the motor was taken out of an old Dodge. So anybody out there have a pic of a Chrysler powered flat head L6 ski lift or snowblower? p.s. Only used the snowblower twice this year!