55 Fargo

Thats a great idea Tim. In fact you could have your spring tailgate BBQ combined with 1/8 mile drags or circle track race. Even a tractor type pull event! JohnT53 snd a few other modifieds can see what they can do. If they dare to rev over 2500 rpm...lol

Francois, la tete sur le moteur, would have been worth saving...

As mentioned should be an easy swap. The IND "cam profile", may or may not be an issue, sometimes the cam profile for industrial use, is engineered to provide lower RPM grunt, and a lower redline on total max RPM. On the head, unless it was cut down a whole lot, most likely not gonna be an issue. Heck you could use a 218 CDN Long Block head for a big compression increase, the 218 has the smallest CC of the heads on long block engines.. Dodgeb4ya and dpollo offer great insight into these engines. Both have several years of experience under their belts....

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Thats fairly tame at .410 lift with 260 duration and good for street driver use. So you ever Red Line it? You should be good for 4500 to 4800 RPM. My old tired 228 with stock cam at .375 lift can spin up to 4 grand...lol Hit 4000 RPM in 3rd at 56 mph, speedo was reading 10 mph too low.

Yes? Well your running .71 overdrive the same as an A833 truck trans with 3.54 no issues. Your tire size a bit shorter than 28 inches. The engine a modified 250 makes all the difference in the world. Now with a 218 or sluggish tired engine a 3.73 or a 3.90 might be more appropriate and all depending on weight of vehicle etc. My 108 wb Fargo weight approx 3300 lbs with modified but tired 228 and T98A 4spd with 3.23 gears and 28.5 inch tires. It moves along well enough. But at 60mph in a vicious headwind it can be more of a dog other than that no real issues. The T98A 4 spd has almost identical gear spread of the A833 1st to 3rd but in 2nd to 4th. 1st at 6.40 is near useless on this trans. Chrysler Canada used the T98Acme in the Dodge and Fargo line up from 3/4 ton to Powerwagons. It has the removable cover for a transfer case. They were also used in Jeeps International and some Ford applications. Looking back at older threads on this type of topic Reg Evans posted to me, that his Old Yellar with rebuilt 251 4spd trans and 3.0 gears keeps up with traffic and does the hills in the sierras just fine These engines if healthy are bulls and can push well..

Fargone my shifter is a stock Hurst for a 79 or 80 D100 Now its positioned high enough for the driver to comfortably shift and to allow a passenger to sit in the middle seat ( barely Im sure) Your option A looks good and should get you where you wanna be. Look forward to your progress.

Okay okay sorry Billy...lol Thought you lived in western New Yawk not Brooklyn....

Well of course the difference is nothing, but Greg, the Volares and Aspens with 6 cyl engines and A833 used the 7 1/4 diff with 2.76, 2.94 and 3.23, no the did not have 3.55 or 3.91 unless a special order, trucks got those as well as bigger cars and vans. The Volare weighing near 3400 lbs, and a 3.23 or even worse a 2.94, would be a real deficit for a .73 gear reduction in a low powered slant 6... My Fargo, with 228, dual carbs and exhaust and tired, moves it along fine with 3.23 gears, if I shift from 3rd to 4th too soon on a hill of wicked headwind she is a dog until 50 mph or just over 2000 rpm, so yes an A833 would be a disaster, actually a T5 with 4.03 1st and .86 5th would work with a 3.23 gear set...

Okay HRT lets talk about your current set-up, you bought Don Coatneys 48 Plymouth weight approximately 3100 lbs, rebuilt Desoto 251, with ASche dual carbs and exhaust, rest is stock build, and do not think the cam is anything over stock. Now which T5 is it, the NWC with 3.76 1st gear and .72 overdrive reduction and a 3.54 rearend, as I seem to recall? Now you have been posting, about highway trips cruising at 85 mph, you have any issues picking up speed in 5th gear over 60 mph? The 251 and especially the 265, and especially a well built and tuned 265 will have a lot more grunt pushing up a hill than a little stock USA built 217. The first gear in your trans is low, but not as bad as the earlier version, heck you must be shifting from 1st to 2nd really quick. A local guy here has a 32 Chrysler with a 1952 251, 4.03 NWC T5 trans and 3.90 gears, and even with those super tall tires on his car, he takes off in 2nd gear most of the time, its way to low, especially with 3.90 gears. Those transmissions were designed for use with very light, low powered engines, now the later versions, and the Ford 5 litre Mustang and Camaros, used another type. I really don't think Fargone is going to have any trouble with his tri carbed built 251 and 3.73 gears with a .73 gear reduction in overdrive, plus his foirst gear is 3.08 a heck of difference from 4.03 or 3.76

John whats your final gear ratio? Which NWC trans do you have and how heavy is your truck? Well you should be able to climb at 2300 rpm. The problem with nkeiser is his little 218 is a bit weak. This is especially true with the truck A833 .71 overdrive Yup owned a few old early Rangers and 1 S10 4cyl. Not the greatest mechanical marvels the 1980 Ford Courier was the worst. Your running a basic stock build 230 with dual carbs. While a lot better than a 218 might not be up to the task of a well built 265.

Greg, So heres my question to you? Whats the gear reduction on your R10? A Volare is .73 with the A833. Now many of those had 3.23 gears not a good choice with a lower HP engine Now your R10 is a great trans and choice. But I think you will find tge overdrive reduction similar. Some issues with an A833 coukd be with, weak low powered engines with the wrong final drive gearing. As well some complain about 2nd to 3rd gear spread not optimal with the wrong gearing. While I think your R10 is a great trans its final gear reduction aint much different than the A833 car trans.

Thanx for your critique. On Ford Rangers and Toyotas who gives a hoot as this is a Classic Dodge truck board. Your engine and gear, tire combo arent great now it wont be that great with a T5 and smaller tires in .86 5th gear. So you will be shifting back to 4th and 3rd too on steep grades. What engine are you running? A 218 will not compare to built 230 or 250/265. Reg did not mention running in 3rd up hills and keeping travellers piled up behind. Good luck on your T5..

The 4 cyl S10 and Ranger were gutless low torque engines. Fargone should be fine with 3.73 gears a long block flattie with tri carbs and split exhaust. These engines attain max torque way down in the power band too. Although these old trucks are not that heavy especially in the 108 wb versions there boxy. The S10 and Ranger were light little junk buckets too. The A833 and a flattie you could go right on up to 4.11s it would be great off the line and in .71 overdrive it would vlimb just fine. 3.55s would be dicey. Smaller tires on these trucks dont look right in most cases. on the NWC S10 T5 with 4.03 1st and .86 5th that can work with gearing like 3.23. Gent I know has 32 Chrysler with 1952 251 4.03 T5 and 3.90 gears. He has to take off in 2nd most of the time. Been in that car its up to 70 mph in no time flat. Side note Reg Evans has a 52 Dodge with 251 truck 4 spd and Thunderbird diff with 3.0 gears. He cruises his area in the mountains of northern California going uphill with no issues. There is a huge difference between a 218 and a 251 or 265 in power...

Mount reasons. The A833 mounts in same location and type as A904 and 727 with corresponding splined output shafts.

Any info ive researched appears not but who knows. The innards are all the same. And again the Mopar or GM overdrive versions are not in the same league as the 4spd A833 behind a 440 or 426..

Not likely U2, you need to check out your facts on the GM version.

Looks good. What bell is that? What engine you running? See the A833 is bolted on top 2 holes to bell, what about the bottom 2 holes?

Fargone, Heck im gonna look out for a different tailshaft for you. Ever try running a Kijiji ad for it in Alberta?

This is totally factory 1979 D100

Here is the type that you need for an easier install.

Hey Fargone yes a fabricated bracket or some other means of attachment to move forward. The linkages need to be addressed too with the correct length geometric shape too. No doubt its from a Volare or aspen with console and bucket seats?

Seroiusly Tim, nobody denies tgat B&W makes great transmissions. In fact mine is a T98. Why are you constantly taking threads into a different agenda? While I see nothing wrong with your info above, it does not belong on this man's thread. Fargone created this thread to document and illustrate his A833 swap, kudos to him. Why not let him and others continue with this theme? Geesh I do not see much or any threads dedicated to your builds. In fact why dont you create a few build threads, they would no doubt be helpful to those who wish to do similar things. GGdad I couldn't agree more enough of this nonsense on here. Could you please edit any of the posts not conducive to the theme and goodwill of Fargones thread, that includes any of my posts.