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Yes and No, some clutch housings, require a hole to be welded up and then drill and tap to mount this trans. Now all fine if you have the correct trans, IE shifter position, mechanical speedo, and gear spread, all matters to be considered. Not that it really matters too much as I have no intention of ever using a T5.

Yes there are with positive stops. Now bangin gears in a stock flathead , should not be a huge concern. Even the T5 stock shifter would most likely be okay. But I really don't care, who wants them or uses them as I don't... My concern is my A833 install....

These are great engines, and in good running shape are more than up to the task of modern day driving with the right gearing..

Adam, they do not compare to quality and ruggedness, and this is not just about slamming gears and mega torque explosions off the line, but quality and ruggedness in parts and components, nothing unusual about that. The NWC T5 out of an S10 is good to maybe 250 ft lbs of torque, has no positive gear shift stops, is a light duty trans in a light duty vehicle. You don't have to agree, no problem there...

No Adam did not think you were, but in a T5 having a tighter gear spread is great for weaker low torque engines like a GM 4 cyl. Now there are 2 standard NWC T5 gear ratios, in the trans with a shuifter mid position and a non electronic speed, Im aware there are many others, but these 2 spreads are the bulk of most these swaps, and those who may no be aware should beware, and know what they have. Now the T5 gears spread I mention might be okay with a 3.08 rear axle. Here is the other NWC early choice, 1st - 3.76 2nd - 2.18 3rd - 1.41 4th - 1.00 5th - 0.72 Again with this trans, you might very well be able to start in 1st gear with a diff, in the 3.90 to 4.11 range, and shifting very soon, who wants that. with 3.55 or 3.08 gears it would be much better, to each their own. I can full attest that the A833 or even my T98A gear spread works great , with a fairly high torque designed engine...

Its the same split as my T98 a, no issues, the same A833 trans was used with slant 6s for many years again no issues. Adam the car 3 spd splits were always a bit tighter than a truck trans, but agin the A833 was used in Volares, Aspens, Vans and Trucks with slant 6s and no issues.. Now when we talk about "Muscle" cars, Jamie Passon has gearing for those in a much tighter spread between 1st and 2nd, this is for racing and all out performance when you want all the power you can get. Go and view my You Tube video on this very topic, even with my 3.23 gears I have no issues with a 3.08 2ndand shifting into 3rd at 25 mph and again at 40-45 mph. Now here an example of a really poor gear spread, it is the early version of a NWC S 10 T5, 1st - 4.03 2nd - 2.37 3rd - 1.49 4th - 1.00 5th - 0.86 , this spread sucks with any diff in the 3.55 to 4.11 range, he11 you won't get across an intersection without shifting from 1st to 2nd, in fact why bother with 1st it becomes another granny low. Someone I know personally in my area has this tans in a 1932 250 powered Chrysler car, with 3.90 rear gears, he routinely starts off in 2nd gear. I road with him, and while doing this results in a 4 spd trans, shifting from 2nd to 3 rd results in a good RPM drop, the only slight plus might be he can get to a slightly higher speed in 2nd gear. Now not sure how you deduced this on the A833 gear spread or even my current T98, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Jeff comparing the fluid drive might not be a good comparison, as they are sucked for off the line power at the best of times. Now your truck is quite heavy, well at least compared to mine, you have a small stock what 218 or 230?, again not a lot of power as compared to a built 230 or later 250/265s. You have the big truck trans, with a useless granny low, works okay I take it with 3.55s, your combination with a NWC S10 as I have described would not be that great the later type might be better. I am not trying to convince anyone on the A833 swap, in fact do not care too. I have this trans, and have owned T5s, as described, and the T5 does not hold a candle to the quality and ruggedness of the A833 in the OD lighter version and certainly no in the cat iron non overdrive version which is is in the T10 and Muncie rock crusher category.

Okay so next step, will be pulling the old T98 Acme 4 spd trans, will see what size the clutch is and get another. Once the trans is in place, can measure my donor drive shaft (1977 Dodge Van), with 30 spline count, this will need to be cut, and new U-joints to be installed etc. Last step will be to hook up to my Mopar 8 1/2 rear diff ebrakes, not sure which way Im going with this yet.........

Adapter plate, fab mounts, some driveshaft changes, ebrake change, route trans cooler lines, Lokar or similar kick down set-up for a A904, shifter, flywheel flexplate etc. Sometimes dropping in a different engine and trans is by no means that bad. This swap has a lot of to-dos, and may not be as difficult for the OP.

Kool after 7 years...lol

While the dual carbs and exhaust will wake things up. The A904 swap is not cheap or super simple either. The OP has got some thinking to do in this and we all arefull of advice.....lol

Hey Merle not yet on the 3.55 and i could see going to 3.73 or 3.90 even. Why the swap, well 2 reasons for sure. The T98 Acme while being a brutish trans has a useless granny 1st gear. My trans has some chewed up gears and getting parts for this trans is not that simple. The shift gate is typical truck and mine is a bit sloppy too. The A833 has a synchro all gears, shifts nice and has a .73 overdrive 4th. Even with my 3.23 diff, my current tire size it would be spinning at 2600 at 65 mph with the overdrive about 1850. Now 1850 is a tad low and most likely could be an issue in high wind or long steep climbs. The good news i can shift into 3rd and be at 2600 rpm with my current diff gearing plenty enough steam for wind and hills. With 3.73 gears I will be at 2850 rpm in 3rd and 2200 in 4th overdrive. At 70 mph 2275 in 4th overdrive. My current tired 228 might also be an issue but the fresh beefed up 265 wont. Yes, Yes with 3.23 gears 1850 to 1900 at 65 mph. Too low for windage and hills. But these engines are max torque at 1600 RPM although at 1900 RPM would be below the powerband and most likely not drawing enough vacuum. I realize you run with 4.11s and yes the engines can handle 3000 RPMs all day if in good shape. But even at 2200 rpm versus your 3000 rpm the fuel economy and engine heat difference would be noticeable. Yes it can run at higher rpms but what for if i can change it. Your car with an R10 would perform well in town as it does, but you could cruise 70 to 75 mph on the freeways instead of 55 to 60 mph.

If you want super cheap, parts all over the place and an engine most have. Buy a 350 sbc and turbo 350 trans.... Or a 300 Ford 6 if it wasnt so long

Here you go Greg, 1st 3.08 2nd 1.68 3rd 1 4th .73 This and more details are on my blog as well as Tim.Ks blog. The spread is very close to a 4 spd truck minus the granny low and adding .73 overdrive. Tje 426 hemi and muscle car A833 4spds non OD have higher ratios in 1st and tighter gear spreads..

Okay so picked up the A833 trans today, complete rebuild kit installed as well as new backup lamp switch. The gears and shafts were in very good shape and it was quite clean inside, a very rugged built trans was what the Tech stated. This "hogwash" that parts will be hard to find, and super expensive, all hogwash. The rebuild kit, gaskets seals both bearings, syncros etc, was local in Winnipeg for $175, thats only 50 bucks more than in the USA from Jamie Passon or Brewers. The backup lamp switch Standard, 12 bucks at Rock Auto was $30 in Winnipeg at my jobbers price, no deal there and big mark up for our market. So all in all trans is back and ready, the shifter is nice and tight and in good shape too. Stay tuned as we progress...

The A904 is much lighter and less parasitic loss. If your 218 is rebuilt why swap if you dont mind me asking.... The little 218 with a mild soup up and rear axle or trans swap you can cruise all day 65 to 70...

Yours a 108 wb, it's interesting, these old girls in stock maintained form are interesting over about 65 70 MPH. Now my truck, could use new springs shackles and bushings etc. Such a basic suspension design, now even if all is preemo, don't think I would want to cruise at 80 mph plus, 70 mph or so would be my target...

Contact timkingbury on this forum, he can advise you on this topic...

The King and Queen of England visit Downtown Winnipeg Manitoba Canada in spring 1939. Notice all the jalopies and the HBC building is still right there on Portage Ave. This 8 mm color film was found only a decade ago. Color was quite rare at the time, especially for an amateur film maker.

The King and Queen of England visit Downtown Winnipeg Manitoba Canada in spring 1939. Notice all the jalopies and the HBC building is still right there on Portage Ave. This 8 mm color film was found only a decade ago. Color was quite rare at the time, especially for an amateur film maker.

I don't blame you, my road and the highway are one dry and frozen, so doable. Going into town or to Winnipeg different story though, but it's darn cold....

Okay guys, bored, or have the "winter blahs", well here is your challenge, weather and salty road conditions permitted... Whether your in California or Georgia, Minnesota or Indiana, I encourage you to stop moping now that Christmas and New Years is over. Go fire up that Old Plymouth, Dodge or Pickup truck, and go for a cold weather cruise.... PS this is not for the faint of heart, some might need long johns and a hot water bottle too, no excuses will be taken....

Oh just got another call from the my transmission guy, the kits is about $150 and labor about 150, so $300, and I don't have to play around with it. This trans is typical of most older 4 spds, not very complicated, but if you have never done a rebuild on them, its a learning curve, I circumvented this curve this time....LOL he emphatically assured me this is a very robust, quality built trans, and not light duty as the NWC S10 T5s, but certainly not as robust as the 426 Hemi cast iron A833. Stay tuned, will update as progress ensues. I need the 10 1/2 inch 23 spline friction disc, and new pressure plate assembly, will be using stock pilot bushing and throwout bearing. Its far less complicated than a T5 swap, as it does not involve and drilling tapping on the bell housing etc...

UPDATE 2018-01-03 Okay so another New Year has begun and its been quite a while since I updated this thread. Been super busy with many other things, do now getting some time for this project. Dropped off my A833 to a local trans guru yesterday. This gent has a super large home shop he us a drag racer and predominantlya Chevy guy gor that stuff. Last night got a call from him, he informed me all looks good but front inputshaft bearing and thrust washes seals gaskets etc. He stated the gears looked great. So next step is the clutch, but first have to pull trans and clutch from truck for rebuilding unless i can source new stuff first. My clutch is not old so might just swap friction discs, as it all gets pulled again for the 265 swap. Will post pics soon . Circle the wagons T5ers A833 boys are riding into town.

UPDATE 2018-01-03 Okay so another New Year has begun and its been quite a while since I updated this thread. Been super busy with many other things, do now getting some time for this project. Dropped off my A833 to a local trans guru yesterday. This gent has a super large home shop he us a drag racer and predominantlya Chevy guy gor that stuff. Last night got a call from him, he informed me all looks good but front inputshaft bearing and thrust washes seals gaskets etc. He stated the gears looked great. So next step is the clutch, but first have to pull trans and clutch from truck for rebuilding unless i can source new stuff first. My clutch is not old so might just swap friction discs, as it all gets pulled again for the 265 swap. Will post pics soon . Circle the wagons T5ers A833 boys are riding into town.

Replacing a 230 Dodge engine with a 250 has been done. But going to a 228 or 230 over a 250 or 265 nah that's passe. Counterproductive a 230 is a good engine is fine but it aint a 250 or 265. Stick with a 250. The 230 can make power but making the changes to swap over a 250 nah...