Water Based Rust Paint OT

[55 Fargo]

Hi all, was looking at the Candian Tire Flyer (Canadian Chain Store), Tremclad Rust paint (Made By Rustoleum for the Canadian market), is now available in water based rust paint.

Now this is odd, who would have thought there would be a water based paint for rust:eek: , almost an oxymoron:rolleyes:.

This paint is more expensive too , guess the VOC laws will eliminate evrything solvent based someday, Macco here in Winnipeg is already using some water based primer and paints:D ..................Fred

[Mr. Belvedere]

Well I refinished the oak floors in my house with water based stain and polyurethane and so far 5yrs later its holding up very well. Water based products have come along way in recent years.

[55 Fargo]

I also did floors with urethane clear coating some years back, it went on real slick, not sure how it stood up, as I sold that house a while back.....Fred

[dezeldoc]

Here in good ol California by next year everything will be water based. If you want some good reading look up the chemicals used in them and ask witch is worse!

[55 Fargo]

Here in good ol California by next year everything will be water based. If you want some good reading look up the chemicals used in them and ask witch is worse!

Canada will switch to waterbase I think in 2010.

Ingredients, wouldn't surrrise me, no doubt in 10 or 20 years, the new water based products will be not goo either, whats next soy based., or canola oil based..........Fred

[Allan Faust]

Canada will switch to waterbase I think in 2010.

Ingredients, wouldn't surrrise me, no doubt in 10 or 20 years, the new water based products will be not goo either, whats next soy based., or canola oil based..........Fred

Can't be soy based.... supposedly weakens the sperm count in men... can't let that happen....

Allan

[dezeldoc]

As someone who has painted cars for the last 30yrs I can tell you this everything has gotten a lot worse for the guys spraying. I will take any of the old paints over the new stuff anyday! use to be "may cause" now it is "will cause" I went to a air supplied resprator about 12yrs ago and am glad I did.

[55 Fargo]

Can I spray urethane based primers with a respirator designed for solvent based paints, or will I need new cartridges

My base primer is enamel in nature,reduced with medium spped enamle reducer, I am not sure what I will use for a primer surfacer or high build primer, I plan on having a single stage enamel paint job, any suggestions on a high build or surfacer primer.............Fred

[Plymouthy Adams]

I agreed with the above statement...while there is a concern over the waste stream, where lots of high volume painters or commercial/industral repairs take place..the protection of the people in the vicinity and disposal is key...The change to water borne..not keenon the idea...just look at your non flamable strippers..if it say non-flammable it translates to non-working (compared that is) I am still amazed and truly pleased that average Joe can still walk in and buy catalyzed paint for their own use...and I have all but put azide my old sprayers..I do somuch like the HVLP..gravity feeds..granted the cup may get int he way for really low spraying..rockers etc..but it does save paint and overspray is a minimum to almost non existant..

[55 Fargo]

I agreed with the above statement...while there is a concern over the waste stream, where lots of high volume painters or commercial/industral repairs take place..the protection of the people in the vicinity and disposal is key...The change to water borne..not keenon the idea...just look at your non flamable strippers..if it say non-flammable it translates to non-working (compared that is) I am still amazed and truly pleased that average Joe can still walk in and buy catalyzed paint for their own use...and I have all but put azide my old sprayers..I do somuch like the HVLP..gravity feeds..granted the cup may get int he way for really low spraying..rockers etc..but it does save paint and overspray is a minimum to almost non existant..

Tim I love my Devibliss clone gravity feed HVLP Sraygun, Princess Auto, on sale $34.99. There is like you say next to know overspray, I primed my whole car using this spraygun, overspray was minimal, jsut did my trunk lid, with 3 coats wet-on-wet, very little overspray detected, I did not even cover my lawnt tractor sitting 5 feet away, no overspray on my tractor. Rattle cans seem to have more overspray.

I have my gun running at about 30 to 35 psi, more than recommended, any advice on this Tim, I am currently using a 1.4 tip...............fred

[Plymouthy Adams]

Fred..only thing I can say is that the pressure input to the gun is dictated by the manufactuer..while you can run less air pressure regulated at the input by pressure drop when air valve is open..you must never run more...on my particular gun the inlet pressure is max input when air trigger is pulled to regulate at 29PSI..this is critical for to be in compliance with federal laws on VOC's and further to prevent excess prressure which is BOUNCE on your panel..you inlet pressure must therefore be ovserved..as this varies with each make and model..set accordingly..this should be labeled (cast) into the handle of your spray gun..this is why they call them HVLP..the pressures can be at the handle regulator to 90-100 PSI..thus the volume..the regulated side (across the inline regulator and internal valving of the gun) is the low prerssure..

[55 Fargo]

Thanx Tim, just did a test shot today, shot Gloss Black Home Hardware Rust Piant urethane enhanced mixed with 25 to 30 % medium reducer on an old 47 Chrysler hood, did minimal prep. I am impressed, very little peel, no runs, fisheyes. I can see how this paint might really work well with the DOI Universal hardner/gloss agent mixed into the equation.....................Fred

[55 Fargo]

Hi Norm, my kids gotta eat too;) , so thats why everything I do is on the cheap .............Fred

[dezeldoc]

Thanks Norm! On my primers I use a poly hi build, it uses catalist like resin goes off in about 20min and builds like crazy, and pretty much seals out everything under it. blocks very good also top coats real good, I have never had any reactions using this. I used to use K200 witch was not suppost to shrink but it did, had to redo about 4 jobs before I figured it out. Use the mask as said before what the manafacture says.

[John Mulders]

Here in good ol California by next year everything will be water based.

Started years ago with the beer ,where will it end?