Found a couple cars for sale (ot)

[BobT-47P15]

During my lunch hour today I happened by the home of a fellow who had

two old cars parked in front of his house. One is a 1950 DeSoto two

door hardtop.....says "Sportsman" on the front fender.

The other is a 1941 Pontiac four door.

He said I could buy either for $1200. They both need some work,

but seem fairly complete. The DeSoto needs a bit of everything

inside and out, has some dents in the body and some rust along the

bottom edge.

Just putting this out in case anyone is interested in either car....

are here in Joplin (southwest Missouri). The price is reasonable

enough, but neither is currently running. Will have to wait til

later tonite to post photos.

[BobT-47P15]

bttt

[Norm's Coupe]

From the looks of the DeSoto, I think that would be worth the money if someone wanted to save it, and the price doesn't sound all that bad. There aren't that many hardtops around like that.

[BobT-47P15]

I think 1950 was the first year for the two door hardtop DeSoto......not sure....it could have been '49 as they have a similar body style. I had a

'51 hardtop back in the 70s.....at that time I thought it was the first year

for the type, but not so.

[Young Ed]

Bob 51 was the first year for plymouth hardtops. Perhaps a mixup between makes. As was mopars custom the more expensive cars got the cool new stuff first. I can only think of 2 exceptions to that rule-one from 39 and one from 60. Guesses?

[BobT-47P15]

I think there was a 1939 Merc two door hardtop.

[Young Ed]

Bob stay mopar here. What mopar firsts were given to plymouth instead of the other makes in those 2 years.

[BobT-47P15]

Wellll......there was a '39 Plymouth convertible sedan.

[Young Ed]

Close Bob very close. But that 39 sedan body came from chrysler etc's leftover 37-38 4dr conv sedan bodies.

[BobT-47P15]

Maybe in 1960 it was this little cross ram engine.......

[Young Ed]

Bob that red X would be a mighty small engine

[BobT-47P15]

It may be a red x to you, but it is a red engine with gold colored cross

ram carbureation here. Sorry bout that, but I never know if the pic will

open successfully at the other end.

Here's another pic, but not as pretty.

[1949P17BC]

Bob, looks like I might have to make another run down 44 to take a look. I don't have your cell # send me a PM with it

[Young Ed]

Ok Bob Here are your answers. 1939 Plymouth was the first standard power convertible top. And in 1960 the valiant(which technically was its own make in 60) got the alternator.

[BobT-47P15]

OK, Ed. I'll buy those answers.

The convertible top would have been the vacuum system, like the one used

thru the P15 models. I had read where Plymouth was the first to offer the

power top. Could not recall the first year, obviously. Thanks for the info.

[Young Ed]

I think the special part about the 39s was that it wasn't offered but was standand equipment.

[Niel Hoback]

I think I read that Plymouth was the first to offer customer choices to order colors and options. Or was that any Chrysler product?

[Don Coatney]

And in 1960 the valiant(which technically was its own make in 60) got the alternator.

Was Valiant not always a Plymouth?

[Young Ed]

Valiant when introduced was intended to be its own line. A 60 valiant doesn't say plymouth on it at all. I think that only lasted for 1 year.

[Don Coatney]

Valiant when introduced was intended to be its own line. A 60 valiant doesn't say plymouth on it at all. I think that only lasted for 1 year.

Thanks Ed, I did not know that.

[Rodney Bullock]

Ed, What was a Signet? We had one down the country for many years It belonged to my Uncle Frances he got it before Vietnam, It stayed parked for many years and the dumb people next door broke the windows. I remeber my other uncle stripped it and sent the hull to the junk yard, I actually have the front bucket seats and they are laced with chrome, I have also seen some of the tires and hub caps my uncle removed the wheels by the spindles with the drums attached to the wheels, It was a push button car as I remember, I thought that weird

[Young Ed]

The signet was the high end valiant model. It would have had the nicer interior and probably more exterior trim. Push buttons would make it 64 or older. I would guess 63-64. If the wheel covers look like these there is a guy on here looking for a set for his 64. This is dads 63 valiant 200. The next model up was the signet.