'48 starter motor - options for repair/replacement?

[Chris-R]

(N.B. EDITED: Because I didn't know at first what I was looking at until @ratbailey pointed out the obvious in his first response below. Thanks for that!)

Anyway, one of the armature wires appears to have let go in a pretty big way, for reasons yet unknown.

I've emailed a couple of starter restoration specialists with these pics to see what can be done repair wise, but what's the secondhand spares situation for these things? It has a plate on it saying Chrysler Corporation  with part number 868857. It also says Max 4050 next to another number 96224169.

 

Are used examples knocking around, or are we talking hens teeth? I've seen mention elsewhere on the forum that the attached solenoid is very hard to come by, but having stripped and rebuilt my solenoid it looks to be serviceable. ?


 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Chris-R
EDITED: Because I didn't know at first what I was looking at...

[Chris-R]

Here's another angle...

[Chris-R]

And here's a view of (one of) the brushes.

[Art Bailey]

3 hours ago, Chris-R said:

Here's another angle...

That looks to be one of the heavy, rectangular shaped copper wires that you see fanned out around the armature, that has broken itself loose. That ain't good. I'd take it to an electric motor rebuild place and have them take a look. Hopefully it hasn't gouged the field windings. 

[Chris-R]

That makes a lot more sense... I wonder how a thing like that happens. And whether it can be fixed!

[Bryan]

Here's what my 48 Dodge starter looked like.  https://p15-d24.com/topic/57806-starter-tear-down-then-bought-remanufactured/?do=findComment&comment=622391

[Art Bailey]

8 hours ago, Chris-R said:

That makes a lot more sense... I wonder how a thing like that happens. And whether it can be fixed!

I'm wondering, too. I'd be looking around for likely causes...I'd have to imagine a bolt somewhere in the vicinity letting go and lodging itself in that area or something like that, and then someone cranked it over. Looks like some pretty violent activity went on in there. 

[Chris-R]

8 hours ago, Bryan said:

Here's what my 48 Dodge starter looked like.  https://p15-d24.com/topic/57806-starter-tear-down-then-bought-remanufactured/?do=findComment&comment=622391

I should have removed the inspection band to get at the brushes, instead of undoing the end plate... I'll know next time! ?

[Chris-R]

3 hours ago, ratbailey said:

I'm wondering, too. I'd be looking around for likely causes...I'd have to imagine a bolt somewhere in the vicinity letting go and lodging itself in that area or something like that, and then someone cranked it over. Looks like some pretty violent activity went on in there. 

Here's the rest of the story... there doesn't seem to be any obvious damage inside the casing, so perhaps I can find someone who will replace the failed wire. But an explanation would be good. I believe at some point (before I owned it, I hasten to add!) a 12v battery was used to crank it over, so perhaps that overcooked it? (Although I've read elsewhere these motors can handle 12v.)

 

[Sniper]

4 hours ago, Chris-R said:

Although I've read elsewhere these motors can handle 12v.

 

Been cranking mine over with 12v for a couple years now. 

[Art Bailey]

7 hours ago, Chris-R said:

Here's the rest of the story... there doesn't seem to be any obvious damage inside the casing, so perhaps I can find someone who will replace the failed wire. But an explanation would be good. I believe at some point (before I owned it, I hasten to add!) a 12v battery was used to crank it over, so perhaps that overcooked it? (Although I've read elsewhere these motors can handle 12v.)

 

It's common to run 6v starters on 12v. I had a '52 Ford barnyard beater when I was a teen, I cranked the heck out of that thing on 12v for a couple years. It was the only good part left on the car. I can only guess from looking at pics, but that looks like mechanical damage, judging by the way the other wires to the right of the broken wire are pushed together and touching. Something got in there while it was spinning, is my guess. You might look for missing bolts around that area, see if anything is laying around inside the hole that you pulled the starter out of, inspect the flywheel gear, look for a missing hunk. You can pull the flywheel inspection cover off the bottom of the bell housing pretty easily, and have a wider view of the flywheel, and also have an opportunity to look for hunks of errant metal. 

Edited June 18, 2022 by ratbailey

[Bryan]

Seeing this for $ 340 but Ebay has same looking type (but 1959-60) for $252.   12V

 

Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, DeSoto Gear Reduction 12V- 3244GR (vintageautogarage.com)

 

NEW IMI PREFORMANCE STARTER FITS CHRYSLER WINDSOR 1959-1960 1889297 MDT6001 | eBay     NEW IMI PREFORMANCE STARTER FITS CHRYSLER WINDSOR 1959-1960 1889297 MDT6001 | eBay

Edited June 18, 2022 by Bryan

[Sniper]

I see two benefits with that starter, lighter and new.  Other than that it's an expensive item.

 

For less than half the price you can get a reman, Remy 25011, stock starter at RA, same warranty, one year.

[Bryan]

1 hour ago, Sniper said:

I see two benefits with that starter, lighter and new.  Other than that it's an expensive item.

 

For less than half the price you can get a reman, Remy 25011, stock starter at RA, same warranty, one year.

I tried and they didn't have any listed. Didn't know enough whether that starter would fit the Chrysler. It looked different than mine.

[Sniper]

Ah, I looked at your vehicles, rather than the OP's.  Mea Culpa