Newbee Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 Can anyone tell me if a 2000 Ford Explorer rear end will let me use the stock 50 steel wheels? I want to upgrade but want the small caps that is why I'd prefer to use the stock rims. Thanks for your feedback. Quote
knuckleharley Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 Both have the same 5 by 4.5 inch bolt pattern,but IF the Explorer rear is wider or narrower,the backspacing on the rim may be off and you may have to have a shop change it for you. There are also plenty of Ford steel factory wheels from later Mopars,AMC's,and Fords that will take the "poverty hubcaps" if you need wider wheels or something with more or less backspacing. 1 Quote
Newbee Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Posted January 17, 2017 Ok so wise me up. I'm guessing your meaning a machine shop but how would they adjust the backspace? Quote
knuckleharley Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Newbee said: Ok so wise me up. I'm guessing your meaning a machine shop but how would they adjust the backspace? By grinding away the welds or the rivet heads holding the center to the rim,and then moving the center piece further out towards the outer rim or further towards the rear of the rim,and then rewelding it in place. Doesn't have to be a machine shop. Could be a tire shop or just a welding shop. It's not real complicated. Edited January 17, 2017 by knuckleharley Quote
Newbee Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Posted January 17, 2017 So I guess you are saying that the 15 in wheel will clear the calibers? Thats my real concern. Quote
knuckleharley Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Newbee said: So I guess you are saying that the 15 in wheel will clear the calibers? Thats my real concern. Maybe,and maybe not. Most original steel wheels from the 50's won't work with disc brakes. If they will bolt on,they rub against the caliphers. The good news for you is car crushers all over the country have hundreds of 5 lug steel wheels with 4.5 inch bolt patterns made for new cars from the 70's to today that can be bought for less than 20 bucks each. I've bought brand new 15 inch radial tires out of crusher cars that were in the trunk as spares already mounted on wheels for 10 bucks each. Don't even have to balance them. Just bolt them on and go riding. You probably won't be able to get away with that because most of the modern 15 inch radial tires will probably be too wide to fit in your fenderwells.. You will want to focus on wheels that have 75 or 78 series tires on them. SOME 70 series might fit too,but not the wider ones. Do some careful measuring as to how wide your rims are,how much clearance you have with them mounted on your car with tires on them,and then take your tape measure to a junk yard or a crusher yard,and buy wheels and tires that fit. Pretty much every Ford or AMC car wheel from 1950 to today will bot on your hubs,and so will every mopar wheel from the early 30's. IIRC,my 31 Plymouth coupe wire wheels have the 5 x 4.5 inch bolt pattern. Edited January 17, 2017 by knuckleharley Quote
Newbee Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, knuckleharley said: Maybe,and maybe not. Most original steel wheels from the 50's won't work with disc brakes. If they will bolt on,they rub against the caliphers. The good news for you is car crushers all over the country have hundreds of 5 lug steel wheels with 4.5 inch bolt patterns made for new cars from the 70's to today that can be bought for less than 20 bucks each. I've bought brand new 15 inch radial tires out of crusher cars that were in the trunk as spares already mounted on wheels for 10 bucks each. Don't even have to balance them. Just bolt them on and go riding. You probably won't be able to get away with that because most of the modern 15 inch radial tires will probably be too wide to fit in your fenderwells. Do some careful measuring as to how wide your rims are,how much clearance you have with them mounted on your car with tires on them,and then take your tape measure to a junk yard or a crusher yard,and buy wheels and tires that fit. Pretty much every Ford or AMC car wheel from 1950 to today will bot on your hubs,and so will every mopar wheel from the early 30's. IIRC,my 31 Plymouth coupe wire wheels have the 5 x 4.5 inch bolt pattern. But does that rule out my stock hubcap? I want to drop the car a couple of inches and the front spindles from Farman require me to use disks. That is why I was looking at the rearend as well. I may need to rethink how I get the result I want, dropped and small hubcap. I also would like to get away from bolts to hold the rims. I should a little scarred here but I was trying to give you a little overview of my end direction. Quote
knuckleharley Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, Newbee said: But does that rule out my stock hubcap? I want to drop the car a couple of inches and the front spindles from Farman require me to use disks. That is why I was looking at the rearend as well. I may need to rethink how I get the result I want, dropped and small hubcap. I also would like to get away from bolts to hold the rims. I should a little scarred here but I was trying to give you a little overview of my end direction. No. There are plenty of steel wheels the original hubcaps will slap right onto. Just look at where they mount on your wheels,and look for modern wheels that look like them. Pretty much all the half-ton non-GM steel wheels will work for you. Quote
Newbee Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Posted January 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, knuckleharley said: No. There are plenty of steel wheels the original hubcaps will slap right onto. Just look at where they mount on your wheels,and look for modern wheels that look like them. Pretty much all the half-ton non-GM steel wheels will work for you. Thank you I have a lot to consider. Quote
58prostreet Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 I have a '52 Dodge with a '98 Explorer rear end. I am running original wheels with no problems. I have 215R75 15 tires. I am also running fatman front spindle/disc and air bags and have no clearance issues with tires hitting anything. Bob Quote
Jim Yergin Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) I installed an Explorer rear end with discs in my '41 Plymouth. There was interference with the stock wheels and I had to remove some material from the calipers to make it work. Because I didn't like having to do that, I ended up converting the rear end to drum brakes. Jim Yergin Edited January 17, 2017 by Jim Yergin Quote
50 coupe Posted January 17, 2017 Report Posted January 17, 2017 98 explorer Disc rear end on a 50 coupe. Using stock 15" stealies, no problem. Quote
Newbee Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 9 hours ago, 50 coupe said: 98 explorer Disc rear end on a 50 coupe. Using stock 15" stealies, no problem. Thats great to hear thank you. Quote
Newbee Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 16 hours ago, 58prostreet said: I have a '52 Dodge with a '98 Explorer rear end. I am running original wheels with no problems. I have 215R75 15 tires. I am also running fatman front spindle/disc and air bags and have no clearance issues with tires hitting anything. Bob What disks and calibers does the Fatman kit call for? Quote
58prostreet Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 I made a mistake in telling u I had disc conversion from Fat Man. It was Ply Do back in May, 2007. Ply Do is not in business any longer. I do have their instructions which may be of help to You. I apologize for the error.Scan0012.pdf Quote
dale Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Dont know about Fatman but Scarebird front disc kits will clear the original rims on a 48 plymouth. Just installed them a couple months ago. 1 Quote
scruff Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 Can any of you tell me what master cyl you used with disc brake rear ? ECI tells me there under floor kit will not work. They [ECI} say power booster required to get enough line pressure. Can you help ? Quote
falconvan Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 4 hours ago, scruff said: Can any of you tell me what master cyl you used with disc brake rear ? ECI tells me there under floor kit will not work. They [ECI} say power booster required to get enough line pressure. Can you help ? I used a master cylinder from an SVO Turbo Mustang; mid 80's. They had a manual disc/disc system with no booster because of the turbo. Another one is an early 70's Vette' disc/disc master. Also 4 wheel manual disc because the cam was too radical to make any low rpm vacuum. 2 Quote
58prostreet Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 I used the ECI dual pot master cylinder, part # EC444. Works great . 1 Quote
scruff Posted February 3, 2017 Report Posted February 3, 2017 Can any of you tell me what master cyl you used with disc brake rear ? ECI tells me there under floor kit will not work. They [ECI} say power booster required to get enough line pressure. Can you help ? Thanks guys big help Quote
fester Posted February 3, 2017 Report Posted February 3, 2017 I can tell you what I did. Running a 2001 Explorer rear with disc brakes. Scarebird brackets up front. The stock wheels will fit the front but not the back. Won't clear the rear Ford calipers. I am using wheels from Jeep's crappy little mid size pickup. I did have to take a small chunk out of the stock Ford calipers plus a 1/4" thick spacer. seems to work fine. As for the master, I was using a Ford truck master with wilwood residual valves. worked fine until I started trying to route the dual exhaust from my 318/904 conversion. Pretty tight. So I scrapped that and put in an aftermarket firewall mounted power set up with a Corvette style master. Should have done that from the start. Quote
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