Cudan Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 hi, I want to lift the body from the chassis, so i have to disconnect the steering column off the steering box. The steering tube is fitted on the steering box with a clamp and bolt, if this is loose can a remove the column off the box ? ( i also disconnected the shifter to the shifter links ) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 There was a recent thread on removing just the steering column tube, for repainting. The shaft is attached to the steering box and is not removable separately. I think that when the body was dropped onto the frame, the steering wheel and shifting lever were off, but the steering and shifting shafts were in place, and the shafts were threaded through the cowl opening that gets covered by the large grommet. You may have to lift the body up and back, thw same way it went on. Or first remove the steering box with shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cudan Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 i found that post : The steering box itself has nothing that would impede removal once the clamp has been loosened. if i understand correct it is possible to disconnect the shaft from the steeringbox ? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 My shop manual uses the term "steering tube" for the what I called the shaft, and "column jacket" for what I called the "steering column tube". The jacket can be removed with the steering gear housing in place, but the inner steering tube is welded to the worm gear. You could remove the jacket up and out through the cabin, and the inner steering tube and worm gear from the bottom of the gear housing,and then down and out. But it mightbe easier and less messy to remove the whole steering gear, tube and jacket down and out. I cut the tube as part of a conversion to power steering, so I was able to remove the jacket and tube up through the cabin. Maybe some of the boys can chip in with their own experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybose Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 When I had my steering box rebuilt I jacked the front of the car way up, took off the steering wheel, loosened the clamp at the bottom, took off the steering arm, took out the three bolts mounting the steering box to the frame, and took the steering box with the shaft out of the bottom of the car. You can't remove the shaft from the steering box, which made for a very interesting looking package when I shipped it out. I never had to touch the shifter linkage at all. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfarer Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 As said, the inner shaft is part of the steering box. It is possible to cut the shaft and make a mechanical connection/splice but that would still require removing everything anyway so for a one-time removal it is not worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cudan Posted October 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 hi Guys, thanks for the explanation, then i have to loosen the pitman arm at the undersite of the steering box. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Hi all, I have a 49 Special Deluxe vert, (P18), and went out today to remove the steering box. Thought it would be simple after I got thru all the grease and spider webs. Love grease, hate spiders! Anyway, could not figure out how the box came off the steering column shaft. So now reading these posts, the steering wheel comes off, and you remove the box with the steering shaft, out from under the car?? What manuals would you guys suggest for a DIY type person? Is there a certain manual publisher that is one of the better ones? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cudan Posted November 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 hi, removing the steering box is a straight forward job if you have the right tools, you need a pitmann puller or pully puller to loosen the pitmanarm on the steeringbox. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 The shaft can be removed from the box but is is very messey and difficult. Id remove the pitman arm and remove the whole thing out the bottom. I wouldnt try removing the pitman arm without the correct puller. They come off hard. Id replace the seal too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Thanks for the help. Ill probably try this weekend. There is so much play in the steering, and all the other components seem to be in good shape. When checking the box, the play just seemed so excessive, but I did not try adjusting the steering box. Should I try that first? How much will it take out, and am I just putting off the inevitable of the box being re-built down the road? Thanks again for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 STX123..you asked about what sort of manual to get..........whilst I have a 1940 Oz Dodge Sedan, its Plymouth based like what they did in Canada, I also had a 1941 Plymouth Coupe, an export version built in St Africa, factory RHD.............I have the following only Oz manuals, ie 1936-42, a 1946-53, a 1954 supplement, a 1957-60 Oz Chrysler Royal and a 1961-62 Chrysler Royal Supplement Manual......plus a US 1936-1942 Illustrated Parts Manual.........and a 1946 to 1954 USA Plymouth Service Manual.........I would strongly suggest you get at the very least a manual that covers your car, ie, the Plymouth Manual that I lastly mentioned covers everything including the different types of transmissions, convertible tops, power steering, body adjustments, engine suspension etc.............I have seen CD's available but I'd suggest try to get a paper manual, nothing beats literally starting at the front cover and reading thru to the back cover.......its amazing what you find and absorb.................I would try to see if the steering box will take an adjustment and see if that improves it, .......so get hold of a manual then have at it..................andyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 I will definitely look into that manual. Thanks for the suggestions. I love these old cars!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Hi all, so I had the steering box rebuilt over the winter. I have a manual that covers basic stuff for the whole car. The exploded version of the steering column and the shift linkage rod is there, but I need more detail. I should have taken more pics when I took all this stuff apart. I didn't realize till the end, that there was a plate under the gas,brake,and clutch pedals that was removable. I probably didn't need to disconnect the shift and gas pedal linkages. So now I have the box back in, but not sure how everything gets hooked up. Does anyone have any clear pics of these locations? Any advice. Where can I get new rubber gaskets, bolt sleeves, and maybe even new bolts, for mounting the steeringbox? I installed with the old stuff for now, but would like to replace these items. Thanks, stx123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 STX.........the rubber pads that are used on the steering box to chassis are called the steering isolator, I know the 1940 to 48 ones are the same, a triangular pad with 3 bolt holes they are used between the box & chassis and on the outside of the chassis between it and the triangular plate that the 3 bolts feed thru.......the bolt sleeves are just a steel tube and the bolts are from memory 3/8 UNC threads about 4" long but should be easily found..............as for a pic of the shifter mechanism its also worth getting a parts manual, I have one to suit the 1936-1942 Plymouth and its amazing what it has.......if you can't find anything get back to me & I'll check what I have.......even tho I'm in Oz and we are RHD 99% of all pics in the Oz manuals show a LHD car unless the specific part was different in RHD, if its just a mirror of the LHD bit then we have to imagine the RHD way it works or fits............lol.........anyway get back if needed......Andy Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thank you Andy, I have started my search for the parts manuals. I'm trying E bay I guess first, right? Anywhere else I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STX123 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Well, I got it all back together and tried to back it out of the shed, and I have no reverse. I now have 4 forward gears. I made it a 4 speed some how. lol. I really need a pic of how these linkages go together. I didnt move anything else, and it seemed to all just fall back in place. I think the bottom rod that attaches to the bottom half of the mechanism with that little clip, is wrong somehow. I believe that would be the reverse rod. I will try and put a pic up of what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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