Sumac Red - real sample needed

[Robin (UK)]

Hi Guys,

My car was repainted long ago so I don't know how accurate the color is.

I know I can get original paint chips but it's very hard to match against those.

Does anyone have some correct Sumac Red paint that they could use to just spray a piece of aluminum or plastic and send to me?

A 6" square piece, or similar, would be great.

Then I could get a color match done.

Thanks.

Robin.

[55 Fargo]

Robin my 47 Chrysler parts coupe is Sumac Red, I can get some paint chips off a few areas where undercoating preserved it rather well, and mail it to you.

Would that be of any use to you.....Fred

[BobT-47P15]

I have a few Sumac Red spots that show underneath the car, but not sure I could

get any sort of usable sample.

[BobT-47P15]

Robin, I think this Dodge is real close.........

Can you tell what color your car was when new???

[Norm's Coupe]

Actually, Robin has the right idea. He does need a nice piece painted with fresh paint to get a good accurate sample so the paint people over there can match it up. Trying to use a small sample chip or flake off the car really wouldn't be that good for the paint people to match up. And, of course, paint does slightly change shades over the years, even if it is covered and out of the light. Actually, a piece painted with paint straight from the can (not mixed) would be best. That's because when you thin it, it does slightly change the shade again.

[Ernie Baily]

Hi,

Here is a pic of my 48 Plymouth 2dr Sedan just after I got it painted about 20yrs ago. I went to my local auto paint supplier and match a orig. swatch to their new colors. It matched up to a Ditzler #71965 "Dr Pepper Maroon" (see attached).

Good Luck!

[Norm's Coupe]

Robin,

If you take that number and colors mentioned by Ernie, your paint supplier should be able to mix any brand of paint to match it. They usually have crossover books that show the mixing formula.

[greg g]

according to the TCP auto olor library, sumac red for in48 had the code umber DAL-70004-DQE.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl

[55 Fargo]

according to the TCP auto olor library, sumac red for in48 had the code umber DAL-70004-DQE.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl

Some of those old Ditzler numbers are obsolete, some are not, phone a PPG dealer for further details, and too see what is available..

[P-12 Tommy]

How could I find out the original color my car was? Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

[Norm's Coupe]

It's true that the Ditzler numbers are obsolete. But.........some paint retail outlets do still have the numbers to cross them over to a PPG number. Tower Paint in Oshkosh, WI (they do have a website) is one of those retail outlets. Several years ago I was looking for Cruiser Maroon. I called Tower Paint and simply gave them the Ditzler number from the service manual. They made up a few aerosol cans and shipped them to me. They were the right color when I got them. So.......if nothing else, Robin could order one can from them using the Ditzler number. Once he had that, he could match the color at a local paint supplier.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Norm's Coupe

[BobT-47P15]

How could I find out the original color my car was? Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

Sometimes it's a pretty good trick to figure out what the original color

was. Some painters did a thorough job back when.

Usually there will be some place on the car, underneath, or where upholstry

has kept a bit of original color hidden. I removed the hood ornament on

the brown coupe and saw the original light grey underneath. Which means

the last two paint jobs (mustard yelllow, and coppertone brown) were done

without removing the hood ornament. And all the stainless trim was likely

still in place also.

[Robin (UK)]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the advice regarding paint codes.

When I got my car it had been repainted in the US and I had the codes for a match.

A friend who owns a paint shop got a mix done for me - it was a few shades out.

A bit more research threw up the fact that the UK base paints are different to those in the US, so tones will not necessarily match.

That's my problem - I need to know the true color as a starting point.

The outside of my car has the fresh paint.

The door tops and dash are slightly different and the engine bay is also slightly different to the outside (not sure if that would match dash/doortops).

So, I have at least two shades (possibly three) on my car.

I'll PM Fred about his parts coupe, but I'd still appreciate any other help I can get on this one.

Thanks.

Robin.

[Jim Yergin]

How could I find out the original color my car was? Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

I ordered a copy of the original build card for my 1941 P12 from the Chrysler archives. The information on the card included the paint color. This contact information to get the build card is from the main section of this web site under "Links"

Chrysler Factory Build Cards Cost is $45.00 USD and require your car`s serial number. Mail to:

Chrysler Historical Collection,

DaimlerChrysler Corporation, CIMS 410-11-21, 12501 Chrysler Freeway, Detroit, MI 48288, USA

Jim Yergin

[P-12 Tommy]

Thanks Bob and Jim!

Tom

[BobT-47P15]

Robin.....as you probably know, on a convertible, the dash and window frames

(door tops) were originally the same color as the body. Mine were.

In your case, the questions would be: have they been

repainted, and/or how much have they faded if original.

[55 Fargo]

Cut a sample out of a trunk inside support, about 5 inches long and 3/4 of an inch wide.

Going to send this out to Robin ASAP, apparently there is a postal strike in the UK, hopefully it does not take too long to reach him.

Another interesting tidbit, compared the Red Sumac sample from parts car, to painted surface where I used Tremclad Rust Enamel Wild Raspberry, it is almost a dead ringer for color match, funny how that is.....Fred

[Andydodge]

What you guys in the US may not realise is that the companies and paint codes you mention are US companies and numbers and may not be available in the UK....for example I have a 46-53 USA Plymouth Service Manual, it lists all the paint colours for each year and the different brands and codes......none of the brands mentioned have ever been available here in Oz as far as I know......so Robins request for the actual paint from the US on something makes a lot of sense, as he then takes it to his local company, who make it up to match,which maybe a completely different paint code and company.........andyd.