wayfarerstranger Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 CAN anyone post a picture of the back side of a 230 engine without a tranny attached to it ? thanx Quote
Reg Evans Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Here ya go Chance. This is the back of a power wagon M37 230 engine. Whatcha up to ? Quote
claybill Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 isnt there something about the bolts going in from the backside on the 230's? bill Quote
blueskies Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 isnt there something about the bolts going in from the backside on the 230's?bill The flywheel bolts go in from the clutch side of the flywheel on the 230s, and they go in from the engine side on the 218s. Pete Quote
greg g Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Well the 6 bolts on my 56 230 go in from the engine side of the crank flange. Quote
blueskies Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Well the 6 bolts on my 56 230 go in from the engine side of the crank flange. Hmmmm... maybe there are variants? Your '56 has only six bolts? Here's a pic of my 8 bolt 230 crank, with the bolts in place. Hit reload for the pics. And here's a pic of my 4 bolt 218 crank just after I pulled the pan for the teardown. and another after pulling it out of the engine- When I assembled my engine with the 230 crank, I put the bolts in from the engine side to match the way it was on the 218. When I put the flywheel on, I discovered that the face of the flywheel on the clutch side has a groove that holds the head of the bolt to keep it from turning. I tried to put the nuts and washers on anyway, but there wasn't a flat seat for the nut and washer due to the groove, so they wouldn't tighten right, and started to bend the bolts sideways. I had to pull the oil pan back off to get the bolts back out, as there isn't room between the flange and the block/pan to get the length of the bolt out otherwise. I put them back in from the clutch side and all was well. The only thing I can think of that may be different about my setup is that I have a truck 230 flywheel from Vintage Power Wagons. Maybe the trucks are different? Pete Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 JUST doing a little research & trying to do a comparison to the back of a 217.8 ?? anybody got a picture they can post of a 217.8 ?? Warm weather is here and i want to get some of these cars on the road !! thanx CHANCE Quote
blueskies Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 JUST doing a little research & trying to do a comparison to the back of a 217.8 ?? anybody got a picture they can post of a 217.8 ?? Warm weather is here and i want to get some of these cars on the road !! thanx CHANCE Should be the same as the 230... aside from the crank. The blocks are the same between the 218 and 230 engines. Only difference is the stroke (1/4), the rods, crank, and flywheel. Pete Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 i had these measurement before but have misplaced them , does anyone have the the distance between the block & the flange & the thickness of the flange itself from a 230 like the one pictured ? thanx Quote
Reg Evans Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Chance, What are you calling the flange ? The end of the crank that the flywheel bolts to ? Here's a photo of that measured by a carpenter. Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 that is correct the back of the crack where it bolts to the flywheel !! !! do the same for the flange width thanx YOU ARE THE BEST !!! Quote
Reg Evans Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 that is correct the back of the crack where it bolts to the flywheel !! !! do the same for the flange width thanx YOU ARE THE BEST !!! Sorry Chance... After seeing the detail of my hand I won't be posting a photo of my crack. Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 THAT`S just to funny i guess i better check my spelling in the future !! & yes u r rite don`t take no pictures of that crack we wouldn`t want to be shut down for senior porn ! Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 looks like the flange is the same thickness on both engines 3/8 ,,,, but the distance between the "CRANK" flange & the block is different looks like the 230 is 13/16 & the 218 is 5/8 . so bolting a fluid drive to a 218 4 bolt even if you drilled extra holes could be a problem ?? have to do more research ... Quote
wayfarer Posted April 4, 2009 Report Posted April 4, 2009 This is yet another variant that I have run across with regards to crank flange dimensions. While doing research for my Torqueflight adapter I found that there is a difference in flange thickness on 'long' cranks vs 218 and shorter... What the hell was going on back then...? looks like the flange is the same thickness on both engines 3/8 ,,,, but the distance between the "CRANK" flange & the block is different looks like the 230 is 13/16 & the 218 is 5/8 . so bolting a fluid drive to a 218 4 bolt even if you drilled extra holes could be a problem ?? have to do more research ... Quote
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