Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 Howdy all. I have a problem...I finally installed my 36 chrysler OD in my 39 ply and the reverse doesn't work. I can drive it in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears. The reverse gear definately is in the tranny, I can put it in gear...but when I let the clutch out...NO DICE!!! It doesn't move the drive shaft...engine just runs..and the car doesn't move! ANY IDEAS??? I am ready to explode. Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 Howdy all. I have a problem...I finally installed my 36 chrysler OD in my 39 ply and the reverse doesn't work. I can drive it in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears. The reverse gear definately is in the tranny, I can put it in gear...but when I let the clutch out...NO DICE!!! It doesn't move the drive shaft...engine just runs..and the car doesn't move! ANY IDEAS??? I am ready to explode. Make sure your cable is pulled out of OD. BloodyKnuckles Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Posted May 25, 2008 I tried it in both positions....didn't work either way????? Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 Is there a definate engagement felt when you go through the gears then into reverse? BloodyKnuckles Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Posted May 25, 2008 Yep...I even tried putting it into reverse with the clutch in and it was about to grind...so it's definately there and spinning.... Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 The only thing I can think of is your cable is misadjusted and will not allow reverse to be functional. I left my cable in twice when I tried reverse, did not work. I'm not sure what else to tell you but someone here should be able to. BloodyKnuckles Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Posted May 25, 2008 Thanks much for your input...I don't know what it can be...really wierd. Have a great Holiday. If anyone else can help out...please let me know.... Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 I'll keep checking back to see if you've got it figured out. Good Luck! BloodyKnuckles Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Posted May 25, 2008 Well, I just took it for a drive in OD...I think it was working...seemed much easier to accelerate...and speeds were higher...kinda hard to tell though without a working speedo. I then manually pushed the lever back to drive without OD...seemed like the regular tranny performance...so I guess the OD is working. I then tried to put it in reverse....STILL NO DICE...I thought maybe driving it around would maybe un-stick something...ah well...I just don't see how it doesn't work! I really don't want to take the whole car apart again...if it does have a bad tranny..then i'm out of luck...and out of transportation. AND out of money... Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 25, 2008 Report Posted May 25, 2008 Well, I just took it for a drive in OD...I think it was working...seemed much easier to accelerate...and speeds were higher...kinda hard to tell though without a working speedo. I then manually pushed the lever back to drive without OD...seemed like the regular tranny performance...so I guess the OD is working. I then tried to put it in reverse....STILL NO DICE...I thought maybe driving it around would maybe un-stick something...ah well...I just don't see how it doesn't work! I really don't want to take the whole car apart again...if it does have a bad tranny..then i'm out of luck...and out of transportation. AND out of money... When you say "easier to accelerate" do you mean off the line has more power? If you do you are out of OD. Try reverse then. BloodyKnuckles Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Posted May 25, 2008 by "easier to accelerate" I mean...it feels like I am using less engine power to accelerate ...and I get higher top speeds.... I tried the lever in regular tranny mode...stil no dice...I just don't understand what is happening..... Quote
greg g Posted May 26, 2008 Report Posted May 26, 2008 Is your transmission a column shift or a flor or shift? If column, perhaps you need to tweek the linkage. If a floor shift then I would thing the cable is not completely disengaging the Over drive. The Id is basically a planetary gear set up that allows the output shaft to turn at a higher rpm than the input shaft. But if not completely disengaged will not work (as in transmit power) in reverse. So even with the trans working and the shaft spinning, if it is not all the way out, the planetary set up not allow the output shaft to spin. Check your cable to make sure you are getting full movement of the on off lever. Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 26, 2008 Author Report Posted May 26, 2008 tHANKS FOR THE INFO... I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT IS FLOOR SHIFTER AND THERE IS NO CABLE HOOKED UP AS OF YET...i SET IT MANUALLY BY PUSHING THE LEVER BACK AND TIEING IT WITH WIRE SO IT DOESN'T ENGAGE THE OD. (darn caps lock, sorry) I drove it around and it worked fine going forward. Just no reverse..I am guessing that somehow the OD is locked in somehow. The levr moves fine..both sides too. Which means...I have too yank the dang thing out again. I'm not happy about that. ANY OTHER IDEAS AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENINg???????? Quote
greg g Posted May 26, 2008 Report Posted May 26, 2008 Not 100% fluent in OD's hopefully one more familiar with the setups will have some info. Were it me I would certainly not want to pull it. Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 26, 2008 Report Posted May 26, 2008 Powerhouse, Any good news yet? BloodyKnuckles Quote
Normspeed Posted May 26, 2008 Report Posted May 26, 2008 On the newer ODs like the R10, there is an internal lockout bar between the trans and the OD. It keeps the OD from engaging when the trans is in reverse. Without it, the roller and cage setup in the OD will just freewheel and you'll have no reverse. If you have any booklets or manuals about your earlier OD, read through and there might be a troubleshooting section that may cover this. Hope someone that really knows the earlier units will know more than me about the lockout setup in those. It sure sounds like that's where the problem is. Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 26, 2008 Author Report Posted May 26, 2008 Yeah...I've been looking at the old motors manual I have...it has a similar type od in it...and I am guessing the reverse lockout is not working correctly. Unfortunately...the manual I have does not have a schematic on the actual tranny I have...mine is from a 36 chrysler...the book has one for 37 and 38 chrysler/desoto. SImilar I guess.. Next step for me....take the floor back out...disconnect the new driveshaft I just bought($375)...disconnect the tranny...Take the OD apart...go to the shooting range...release some frustration....come home and tackle the OD... Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 26, 2008 Author Report Posted May 26, 2008 IF ANYONE HAS ANY SCHEMATICS OF THE EARLY TYPE 1936 CHRYSLER OD...please share with the class...THANKS! Quote
Normspeed Posted May 26, 2008 Report Posted May 26, 2008 Shooting range sounds like fun. Enjoy. Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Posted May 28, 2008 well fellow Moparians... I spent all day today taking the OD out...and then apart..I discovered a misaligned part which caused the od to malfunction...LUCKILLY it is fixed now. I drove it around in NON-OD mode...works great. NOW to rig up the cable. Quote
Normspeed Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Well, that's good news. Glad it was fixable. Quote
mackster Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Great news, glad you got it done. It sounds like a lot of work, but think of it this way: Now you are the resident guru on the 30's OD in so cal. Quote
Powerhouse Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Posted May 28, 2008 yeah...hahahaha....I don't know about guru...but I can sure take em apart...it's gettin' back together that's tricky..hahaha Quote
BloodyKnuckles Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 I'm glad you got it figured out. Have fun! BloodyKnuckles Quote
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