Jims50chrysler Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Ok I was at Home depot today looking for a product to lay under my carpet and I found the product in the thumbnail below. in fact it is an underlay for carpet but after carefull reading it appeared that it had all the qualities one would look want under an automotive carpet...waterproof,insulating,sound deadning etc. what are your opinions?? Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 You can buy insulation by the roll from JC Whitney for about $30. One side is covered with aluminum and the other side is a knotted fiber material. Aluminum side is installed up facing inside the car. That foam stuff will eventually fall apart from the heat. Quote
Jims50chrysler Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks Norm: The prices at JC Whitney are fantastic that is the first place I went. I priced the insulation (24ft roll) and the molded Carpet $214.98 and I had all intentions of purchasing them then I got the shipping quote $115.00 then there is the Duty at the border and the taxes But wait thats not it for this extended time only you also get to pay the unspecified brokerage fee. So now my $214.8 purchase has went to $400+ Dollars it is a little hard to suck that up....I am not saying I won't but I would certainly prefer not to. Jim Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Ooops that is a hit. That's as bad as what Fred said about his gas tank recently. Didn't notice you were in Canada before. However, that insulation at JC Whitney should be available in Canada someplace. Think I still have the label with the manufacture someplace. Will check. If you know the name it will possibly make it easier to find up there. Quote
Suddensix Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks Norm:The prices at JC Whitney are fantastic that is the first place I went. I priced the insulation (24ft roll) and the molded Carpet $214.98 and I had all intentions of purchasing them then I got the shipping quote $115.00 then there is the Duty at the border and the taxes But wait thats not it for this extended time only you also get to pay the unspecified brokerage fee. So now my $214.8 purchase has went to $400+ Dollars it is a little hard to suck that up....I am not saying I won't but I would certainly prefer not to. Jim Hi Jim, One of my pals in Toronto got the right stuff for his 36 Ford in Scarboro. I will be seeing him this weekend and will get the info if you want. Cheers Gary Quote
Normspeed Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 JCW ships by zones and it's pretty pricey to get their stuff to California too. The added cost of the duty and brokerage would be a deal killer. There's gotta be a Canadian source for the same stuff like Norm says. I've seen it at auto swap meets. Does anyone know, when you buy the molded carpet from JCW or from other suppliers, is the dimmer switch hole already cut and grommeted? Quote
Young Ed Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 the last few sets I helped with the grommet came with but it was DIY Quote
Allan Faust Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks Norm:The prices at JC Whitney are fantastic that is the first place I went. I priced the insulation (24ft roll) and the molded Carpet $214.98 and I had all intentions of purchasing them then I got the shipping quote $115.00 then there is the Duty at the border and the taxes But wait thats not it for this extended time only you also get to pay the unspecified brokerage fee. So now my $214.8 purchase has went to $400+ Dollars it is a little hard to suck that up....I am not saying I won't but I would certainly prefer not to. Jim Jim, A few things I've learned since I do a lot of buying for others via the net.... and hence the US, and then my opinion on what you are looking for.... First, whenever dealing with a US company, ask for USPS shipping if at all possible..... never UPS... When things cross the border, you are supposed to pay taxes... normal, and duty (if it doesn't fall under free trade.... automotive, under $500 in one shot... no duty, 500.01+.... duty). If sending UPS, you pay the taxes and "brokerage" fees (which are absolutely ludicrous and exhorbitant). Via USPS IF someone working for the post office checks your package, you will pay $5 (think its $8 since jan 1) plus any taxes... that is IF they check it... if not, no duties or taxes.... If you want to get some automotive stuff... you have access to someone right in your backyard almost..... Call Paul Barber at Horton Hot Rod Parts in Milton, and he can find quite a bit of stuff... without border worries because he's got an affiliate in the states, and through them, gets just about anything.... for tools etc, see Frank Hawkes in Essex (canadian distributor for them) and you skip the border as well..... As for what you want to do... I have an idea that I wanted to throw by the forum in the near future, but may as well state it now..... at the lumberyard where I work part time during our lockout, there is a stuff called eveguard.. an asphalt based product with a sticky side to it... then there is another product called Flexfoil which is an aluminum sided bubble wrap. Put both of them together, and you have dynamat or a clone of it..... with the price being MUCH cheaper. Allan Quote
Suddensix Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks Gary I'll PM you when I get the info. Quote
Normspeed Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Allan, some folks have said they used asphalt backed stuff, it worked well but had a strong smell that was hard to get rid of. Maybe some others have had more hands on experience with it. My $.02 (U.S.D.) is, I like cheap. Cheap good! I'm looking forward to the day when I install padding, carpet, door rubber, door panels, kick pads headliner and windlace in my jalopy. She's kinda rough and ready at the moment but I love her. Also, that has gotta be some excellent advice about the shipping. Just another reason this forum is the best. Quote
Allan Faust Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Allan, some folks have said they used asphalt backed stuff, it worked well but had a strong smell that was hard to get rid of. Maybe some others have had more hands on experience with it. My $.02 (U.S.D.) is, I like cheap. Cheap good! I'm looking forward to the day when I install padding, carpet, door rubber, door panels, kick pads headliner and windlace in my jalopy. She's kinda rough and ready at the moment but I love her. Also, that has gotta be some excellent advice about the shipping. Just another reason this forum is the best. Norm, This "asphalt backed stuff is actually a preventer of ice buildup underneath your asphalt shingles, and from what I can see of it now, it doesn't seem to smell at all.... I just want to use some small squares of it in different areas to deaden things a bit... the flexfoil will be going everywhere.... especially considering the price.... Allan Quote
Allan Faust Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 http://www.flexfoil.com/index.htm http://www.bakor.com/residential_roofing.asp These are the 2 products I've been mentioning... I'll probably take a nice chunk of eaveguard to try and put it to a summer heat test this summer to see if it stinks or not.... since its rubberized, I doubt it... Allan Quote
PatS.... Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Jim,A few things I've learned since I do a lot of buying for others via the net.... and hence the US, and then my opinion on what you are looking for.... First, whenever dealing with a US company, ask for USPS shipping if at all possible..... never UPS... When things cross the border, you are supposed to pay taxes... normal, and duty (if it doesn't fall under free trade.... automotive, under $500 in one shot... no duty, 500.01+.... duty). If sending UPS, you pay the taxes and "brokerage" fees (which are absolutely ludicrous and exhorbitant). Via USPS IF someone working for the post office checks your package, you will pay $5 (think its $8 since jan 1) plus any taxes... that is IF they check it... if not, no duties or taxes.... If you want to get some automotive stuff... you have access to someone right in your backyard almost..... Call Paul Barber at Horton Hot Rod Parts in Milton, and he can find quite a bit of stuff... without border worries because he's got an affiliate in the states, and through them, gets just about anything.... for tools etc, see Frank Hawkes in Essex (canadian distributor for them) and you skip the border as well..... As for what you want to do... I have an idea that I wanted to throw by the forum in the near future, but may as well state it now..... at the lumberyard where I work part time during our lockout, there is a stuff called eveguard.. an asphalt based product with a sticky side to it... then there is another product called Flexfoil which is an aluminum sided bubble wrap. Put both of them together, and you have dynamat or a clone of it..... with the price being MUCH cheaper. Allan I used the sticky sided roofing rubber as sound deadener in my old Ram pick-up. Huge 50 foot roll by about 30 inches wide for $50 can. It's been in for 2+ years now and so far no problems. At first there was the used tire smell inside the cab but it only lasted a week or so. The price of Dynamat up here is like gold, so this stuff is way better than nothing. For more info on other types of insulation and sound deadner: http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/ Quote
Normspeed Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Allan, Sure sounds worth trying. Pats, How did it work for sound deadening? Quote
hkestes41 Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Here is another source. http://www.lobucrod.com/ Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Does anyone know, when you buy the molded carpet from JCW or from other suppliers, is the dimmer switch hole already cut and grommeted? Norm, the holes are just chalk marked with the approximate location when you get the carpet and you cut them yourself. Just lay the carpet in first, to find the proper location, then cut the holes for the pedals and dimmer switch. As for what you want to do... I have an idea that I wanted to throw by the forum in the near future, but may as well state it now..... at the lumberyard where I work part time during our lockout, there is a stuff called eveguard.. an asphalt based product with a sticky side to it... then there is another product called Flexfoil which is an aluminum sided bubble wrap. Put both of them together, and you have dynamat or a clone of it..... with the price being MUCH cheaper. Allan Allan, Don't know about the eveguard. However, when it comes to the bubble wrap in between the aluminum foil, I would not use it on the floor. Think about what happens when you press your fingers together with a piece of bubble wrap in between. It pops the bubble and the plastic is then flat. Same thing will happen with the flexfoil if you put it on the floor and step on it. Quote
Allan Faust Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Norm, Have a look at the product site... its not "exactly" bubble wrap... check it out.... I thought about the flatness etc... Allan Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 I have just used the regular felt padding that goes underneath auto carpet, followed by the carpet. May not be quite so sound deadning as the other things, but it does help. Not as moisture-proof I'm sure, but how wet is your floor gonna get??? My carpet and padding was purchased in Kansas City at a wholesale supplier of auto upholstry products. The carpet is simply sold by the yard from a roll.....you have to cut and form it and bind the edges. That's what the upholstry guy did to earn his $250---installed, bound carpet and pad in car and trunk. Quote
PatS.... Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Allan, Sure sounds worth trying. Pats, How did it work for sound deadening? Norm, it works very well. I just have it on the doors at the moment and the doors have a nice thud when they close instaed of the tinny clang. I don't have to crank the radio up so loud. (it's called "Peel and Seal" in the US) I still want to do the floor and behind the seat and maybe some expanding foam between the two roof panels. I may spring for Dynamat for the firewall and floor...very expensive up here. Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 I used the same thing Bob used under my carpet. It's nice and quiet in the car now. Was going to use the double sided aluminum covered plastic bubble insulation in the roof under the headliner. However, I had the roll of the JC Whitney stuff so glued it up there. That made it even more quiet in the car. The roll of aluminum covered plastic bubble insulation says on the package it only has an R value of about 1. So, how much is it insulating and how much noise will it keep out. Not much. Quote
Allan Faust Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 What is the R value on the other stuff Norm??? Quote
teardrop puller Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Before I buy from JCW I go to this site http://www.ultimatecoupons.com/coupons/jc_whitney_coupons.htm and check out the coupons available. Always is something good. If they do not have a free shipping coupon just wait or go for a coupon that is more than the shipping. kai Quote
49DODGEBOY Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 I,ve used the flexfoil in my warehouse ceilings, seems ok and was easy to work with. Made a good looking Don Quixote armour look alike vest out of it for a school play too!.. Quote
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