Hello all, New member here.

[Semmerling]

Zounds....what a nice car

[EagleChief]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:29 AM, Eneto-55 said:

I'm kind of late to the welcoming party, but Welcome to the forum!  Curious which part of the Tulsa you hail from.  I grew up north of Tulsa, between Collinsville & Owasso, but still in Tulsa County.  (Now I'm a 'displaced Okie' living in Ohio.  I bought my 46 in Claremore, from a coworker's brother.  I was working at United Plating Works at the time, on the north side of Tulsa.)

Well, hello fellow Okie! I'm originally from Skiatook, but currently live in Owasso. I usually put Tulsa down as my location, as it's more easily known/easy to find for forum members. My wife, and her family, is from Tulsa. My family is still in Skiatook. Owasso was a nice middle ground for us.

[EagleChief]

 

On 3/24/2023 at 11:06 PM, harmony said:

It's quite possible,,,,  however,,,, It's best to try and follow the wires on the car and compare them to the wiring diagram.  

One thing to keep in mind.  That slot screw on the relay actually doesn't look loose.  Also the forked style terminal end on that wire is the type that makes a bend at the end of the two prongs.  This means the terminal screw where it mounts to has to be really loose for it to simply fall off.  What I'm getting at is if that wire is supposed to be connected to the terminal on the horn relay, it looks to me like it was deliberately taken off.  So if you're any good with a multi-meter, I'd snoop around a little bit.  Maybe it kept blowing fuses, or maybe something started to smoke, or maybe it was grounding out somewhere.  I'd check around a bit before I hooked it up to what looks like a simple solution.

 

On 3/26/2023 at 6:20 AM, Dan Hiebert said:

That box is indeed the horn relay.  That one unsecured wire connector, from the near horn, we can see should be attached to the one lead that has nothing attached, that we can also see. Looking at the relay directly it'd be the upper left one.  As harmony notes, there may be a reason it is/was taken off that may need to be chased down.  Keep in mind there is no power to the horn circuit on these cars when the ignition is turned off. 

 

Spitballing here, but that bare section of wire at the horn end may provide a clue, perhaps grounding on the horn, so the/a PO just unhooked it rather than fix it.  Part of the clue also being that only the one horn wire looks to be unhooked.  The power to the horn circuit goes through the ammeter, so maybe either the horn was sounding or the ammeter wasn't working right due to that ground / short.  

 

Thanks! I'll have to investigate it more. I'll try and post another picture from my phone (more direct from the front), but what this picture doesn't show very well - both horn wires are combined before the spade connector. Are they supposed to be joined that way? I have some wire and connectors, although not period correct. I guess I could replace those two wires to the horns and that would take care of any frayed wire issue.

[EagleChief]

I tried adding a front view pic, but apparently the file size is too large.

[Eneto-55]

3 hours ago, EagleChief said:

Well, hello fellow Okie! I'm originally from Skiatook, but currently live in Owasso. I usually put Tulsa down as my location, as it's more easily known/easy to find for forum members. My wife, and her family, is from Tulsa. My family is still in Skiatook. Owasso was a nice middle ground for us.

Cool!  I went to Owasso all 12 years, graduating in 74.  My great uncle owned the 5 & 10 in Skiatook - way back.  I grew up in the Collinsville Mennonite Brethren Church, referred to by other local people as "The Old German Church".  My grandpa bought the property across the road (from the church house) from a Cherokee family in 52, and we lived on the farm there as well, first a quarter mile east, toward Claremore, then shortly after I turned 9, a quarter mile north from the corner, toward C'ville.  (The house beside the Dollar General.  116th North & Garnett, I think they called it after Owasso extended the city limits out there.  I moved to Ohio in 83, where my wife is from.  We lived in Brazil for 18 years, from 85 till 2003, when we moved back here to her community again.)

[Eneto-55]

2 hours ago, EagleChief said:

I tried adding a front view pic, but apparently the file size is too large.

What I do is open the photos in a photo editor (like Windows Paint, in Windows 7), then resize it.  My cellular telephone is a Google Pixel 2, and for that I cut it down to 35%.  With our old digital camera, I did it to 50%.  My aim was to make so it would display in a single full screen when pasted into an email message.  I always save it with a modified file name, so that I still have the high resolution photo as well.

[EagleChief]

19 minutes ago, Eneto-55 said:

Cool!  I went to Owasso all 12 years, graduating in 74.  My great uncle owned the 5 & 10 in Skiatook - way back.  I grew up in the Collinsville Mennonite Brethren Church, referred to by other local people as "The Old German Church".  My grandpa bought the property across the road (from the church house) from a Cherokee family in 52, and we lived on the farm there as well, first a quarter mile east, toward Claremore, then shortly after I turned 9, a quarter mile north from the corner, toward C'ville.  (The house beside the Dollar General.  116th North & Garnett, I think they called it after Owasso extended the city limits out there.  I moved to Ohio in 83, where my wife is from.  We lived in Brazil for 18 years, from 85 till 2003, when we moved back here to her community again.)

Small world, isn't it?! I know the area well. I find it sad that all of the ranch and farm land is disappearing. If you haven't been back, you wouldn't recognize Owasso now. It's actually starting to get too big, I think. That whole area, I've always known it as German Corner, has been annexed and is suited for commercial deveopment over then next 5-8 years. City of Owasso keeps cramming in apartments/housing/stores anywhere they can find a blade of grass.  

[Eneto-55]

Yes, my wife & I and our youngest son visited my Mom last October.  She is in the Baptist Home in Owasso.  That housing edition that borders the church house yard on the west and north was an open pasture when I was still living at home.  Now there must be around 3 to 4 hundred houses in there.  My grandpa's farm now has some 100 houses in the back field, that was always planted in winter wheat when I was growing up there.  Owasso was just a little Indian town.  (One of my classmate's grandmother - also Cherokee - donated the land where the original town was built.  The biggest problem the police there had to deal with was HS kids who did "California rolling stops" at the stop signs.   So you're right - I don't even know the place anymore.)

[rcl700]

On 3/22/2023 at 1:52 PM, EagleChief said:

Hello everyone. I'm dropping in to say hi and introduce myself. I live in a suburb of Tulsa, OK and have a 1947 Plymouth Special Deluxe. I bought the car in April 2022. I've entered it in a couple of car shows so far, but haven't used it too much. I love classic cars & trucks of all sorts, but have to admit, I don't know a whole lot about them. I'm always learning, though. It is just hard to remember it all. I have a few friends that are walking encyclopedias on cars and it baffles me how they retain all of that information.

 

Anyway... as for the car itself, to my knowledge I'm the 3rd owner at minimum. The gentleman I bought it from only had it 2 years. The PO before him had the car redone, but I'm not sure how long he owned it. I had the generator rebuilt last summer. I need to replace one of the rear door windows as the previous owner cracked it. I just had a blowout on one of my front tires and have some replacements that I need to get installed. I added seat belts to the rear seat, as we have 3 kids that want to ride along and they still require car seats. From what I was told, this car is "original" with a repaint. To be honest, I don't know if it is, or not. I was told it has the original motor/transmission. Interior is supposed to be original, but I'm pretty certain is was all redone. It has the tube radio in it, but I haven't been able to get it to work. The previous owner said he got it to come on, once. All of the lights work, heater works, defrost works, even the hood light functions.

 

The kids are the main reason we got this beautiful car. We have 2 trucks ('71 C10 and a '73 F100), but we can't all ride in the trucks as a family. So, the search began for a "family car". I ran across the ad for this car and pulled the trigger on it. I've searched around on this site a few times for info, and decided to join in order to learn more. I like to be active on forums, so feel free to ask me any questions and I'll do my best to answer, or I'll probably be asking questions.

Can you provide  some info on what seat belts you put in and how you did the mounting? 

[EagleChief]

On 4/1/2023 at 10:44 PM, rcl700 said:

Can you provide  some info on what seat belts you put in and how you did the mounting? 

I can't remember off the top of my head where I purchased them from (online), so I'll have to dig in my files for the receipt. But, they came with all of the hardware needed for mounting them. I ordered 3 seatbelts for the rear. 

 

I sat our kids carseats in the car in order to get the width and locations where I needed to put the seatbelts. I put some tape on the upper seat cushion to mark the width. Then, pulled the lower seat out, which is fairly easy to do. After that, using the tape that I applied on the upper cushion, I could mark the width on the floor to drill holes for the mounting. I "guesstimated" for the exact locations. Tried to figure out a spot that would be easy to access under the car, as well as inside. This took a few times of looking inside, then crawling underneath to try and figure out what I was looking at. Once I had my spots picked out. I marked them with a Sharpie marker, then drilled a small hole from inside the car, through the floor. Once those were drilled, I crawled underneath and drilled the larger holes (I used a larger drill for these and I had more clearance under the car, than inside). After that, I used the seatbelt mounting instructions and hardware. They came with 1/2" or 5/8" grade 8 hardware (bolts, washers, nuts) and some extra large washers - probably 4" diameter - to use for mounting. So, inside the car was the seatbelt mount, washer, bolt. Under the car was large washer against the floor, then the other washers and nut. I'm pretty sure there were regular washers and lock washers for the mounting. It was last October when I installed them, so I don't exactly remember what all the hardware was. 

 

I started with the outer belts first, then the center belts. In order to limit the amount of holes I drilled, the center belts share the same mounting position.

[Eneto-55]

25 minutes ago, EagleChief said:

....

I sat our kids carseats in the car in order to get the width and locations where I needed to put the seatbelts.

....

I think I understand that you use "only" the lap belts to secure the child carseats, not the clip on catches installed in more recent vehicles.  Correct?  (I don't know if I'll get my car back on the road before all of my grandchildren are past the age of needing carseats, but I have been thinking about installing those special clips in it as well as lapbelts.)

[EagleChief]

1 hour ago, Eneto-55 said:

I think I understand that you use "only" the lap belts to secure the child carseats, not the clip on catches installed in more recent vehicles.  Correct?  (I don't know if I'll get my car back on the road before all of my grandchildren are past the age of needing carseats, but I have been thinking about installing those special clips in it as well as lapbelts.)

That is correct. I just used the lap belts. I know there is a bracket that can be installed for the latches, but I just went with the lap belts. 

[rcl700]

On 4/3/2023 at 8:57 AM, EagleChief said:

I can't remember off the top of my head where I purchased them from (online), so I'll have to dig in my files for the receipt. But, they came with all of the hardware needed for mounting them. I ordered 3 seatbelts for the rear. 

 

I sat our kids carseats in the car in order to get the width and locations where I needed to put the seatbelts. I put some tape on the upper seat cushion to mark the width. Then, pulled the lower seat out, which is fairly easy to do. After that, using the tape that I applied on the upper cushion, I could mark the width on the floor to drill holes for the mounting. I "guesstimated" for the exact locations. Tried to figure out a spot that would be easy to access under the car, as well as inside. This took a few times of looking inside, then crawling underneath to try and figure out what I was looking at. Once I had my spots picked out. I marked them with a Sharpie marker, then drilled a small hole from inside the car, through the floor. Once those were drilled, I crawled underneath and drilled the larger holes (I used a larger drill for these and I had more clearance under the car, than inside). After that, I used the seatbelt mounting instructions and hardware. They came with 1/2" or 5/8" grade 8 hardware (bolts, washers, nuts) and some extra large washers - probably 4" diameter - to use for mounting. So, inside the car was the seatbelt mount, washer, bolt. Under the car was large washer against the floor, then the other washers and nut. I'm pretty sure there were regular washers and lock washers for the mounting. It was last October when I installed them, so I don't exactly remember what all the hardware was. 

 

I started with the outer belts first, then the center belts. In order to limit the amount of holes I drilled, the center belts share the same mounting position.

Perfect. Thank you for the information.  

[Sam Buchanan]

On 4/1/2023 at 10:44 PM, rcl700 said:

Can you provide  some info on what seat belts you put in and how you did the mounting? 

 

Here is the vendor that supplied the belts I put in my P15:

 

https://www.retrobelt.com/collections/lap-belts

 

 

[EagleChief]

On 4/3/2023 at 9:48 AM, EagleChief said:

That is correct. I just used the lap belts. I know there is a bracket that can be installed for the latches, but I just went with the lap belts. 

 

On 4/3/2023 at 8:26 AM, Eneto-55 said:

I think I understand that you use "only" the lap belts to secure the child carseats, not the clip on catches installed in more recent vehicles.  Correct?  (I don't know if I'll get my car back on the road before all of my grandchildren are past the age of needing carseats, but I have been thinking about installing those special clips in it as well as lapbelts.)

Here is the link of the item I was thinking of for the "add in" latch brackets.

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Restraint-Mounting-Connector-Interface/dp/B0937G9LH2/ref=asc_df_B0937G9LH2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=507701441215&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14872409099276633270&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026521&hvtargid=pla-1291111392693&psc=1

 

I went against using these for a couple of reasons. 1) they do not mount to the floor of the vehicle, and 2) I think, to use them correctly, they need to have the top tether of the child's seat attached, as well as the lower latches. In our old cars, that could be an issue trying to remove the rear seat, attach, and re-install. 

 

I believe the retrobelt store is where I purchased my seatbelts from, as well.

Edited April 6, 2023 by EagleChief

[Eneto-55]

10 minutes ago, EagleChief said:

 

Here is the link of the item I was thinking of for the "add in" latch brackets.

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Restraint-Mounting-Connector-Interface/dp/B0937G9LH2/ref=asc_df_B0937G9LH2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=507701441215&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14872409099276633270&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026521&hvtargid=pla-1291111392693&psc=1

 

I went against using these for a couple of reasons. 1) they do not mount to the floor of the vehicle, and 2) I think, to use them correctly, they need to have the top tether of the child's seat attached, as well as the lower latches. In our old cars, that could be an issue trying to remove the rear seat, attach, and re-install. 

 

I believe the retrobelt store is where I purchased my seatbelts from, as well.

I really had a time finding the LATCH points in our 2019 Honda CR-V. (First foreign car I ever bought, except for when I was a foreigner myself, in Brazil.  We had an 84 VW, the one they called "Fox" here in the States.)  But while I haven't checked to be sure, I was thinking that the ones that you access BETWEEN the lower & upper seat cushions are attached to the floor, but maybe not.  That's anyways what I would do on the P15.  (The Honda's are accessed through a slit in the seat BACK.)

[EagleChief]

On 4/6/2023 at 4:49 PM, Eneto-55 said:

I really had a time finding the LATCH points in our 2019 Honda CR-V. (First foreign car I ever bought, except for when I was a foreigner myself, in Brazil.  We had an 84 VW, the one they called "Fox" here in the States.)  But while I haven't checked to be sure, I was thinking that the ones that you access BETWEEN the lower & upper seat cushions are attached to the floor, but maybe not.  That's anyways what I would do on the P15.  (The Honda's are accessed through a slit in the seat BACK.)

You are correct, the "LATCH" system is bolted to the floor/frame of the vehicles between the seats' lower and upper cushions. That product I linked to, is an "add-on" version. I don't think they are near as safe and sturdy to use as the factory system, as they do not bolt to the floor. In our old vehicles, it would be even worse, I'd imagine, seeing as how the seat cushions are not bolted in to the car/truck.

[EagleChief]

I'm going to ask a loaded question, and I should've asked the gentleman I purchased the car from. What oil do you all use on these cars? Original flathead 6 in the car. The oil is still clear and clean, but I'd like to have some on reserve and for the next oil change. 

 

 

** Nevermind...

Edited April 17, 2023 by EagleChief