fhubler Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Well, I got the '48 off the ground for the first time to survey the status of the undercarriage. All pretty much looked like one would expect 70 year old stuff suspended just off of the ground to look - all of it needing some attention, but nothing urgent with the exception of the left king pin & bushings. The right one has a few thousands play, but the left one is about as floppy as it can get and still be attached to the spindle. I've done them on the '29 Ford. Any special knowledge I should have before pulling the spindles on the D-24? Also found only the right rear upper door hinge pin very loose. All of the others are solid. I am guessing I can just pull that hinge (its recessed in the center pillar). Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 MY thoughts on the kingpins is you are nuts if you don't replace both of them at the same time. Both sides have the same amount of miles on them,so if one is worn and the other one already has free play in it,so replace them both at the same time and be safe and done with it. I can only guess that the right rear door hinge pin is loose because it didn't get replaced. You should be able to use a punch to knock it out,or buy a press made to push them out. The presses are pretty cheap. I think I paid something like 10 bucks for mine,but that was a long time ago. Ironically enough,I haven't used it since I bought it. Always took them out with a drift pin and a hammer before I bought it,and haven't taken one out since then. As usual with this old stuff,don't try to do it all with one swing of the hammer or twist of the screw. Move it a little,soak it with a penetrate,tap it back down to lube inside the hinge,tap it back up again,lube it,tap it back down again,and repeat until it is out. Once it is out use something like a bronze gun bore brush to eliminate any rust or grit in the hinge before installing the new pin,and lube the new pin well with grease before installing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhubler Posted November 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Thanks. Yes, I am a firm believer in doing it once & doing it right, even if it takes a few extra months of saving until the money is there. I will do both sides & look everything else over really good while its torn down. I will also do a whole front end kit if needed. Judging by the way the car rides, handles & steers, I am guessing that the rest of the front suspension is in pretty good shape. Won't know until I get through the 70 years of crud - but I'd rather have crud then rust, at least I know it was greased... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, fhubler said: Thanks. Yes, I am a firm believer in doing it once & doing it right, even if it takes a few extra months of saving until the money is there. I will do both sides & look everything else over really good while its torn down. I will also do a whole front end kit if needed. Judging by the way the car rides, handles & steers, I am guessing that the rest of the front suspension is in pretty good shape. Won't know until I get through the 70 years of crud - but I'd rather have crud then rust, at least I know it was greased... I just bought another 1951 Other Make car,and the owner told me it didn't have any brakes on it. I just got it home and discovered why. There was no master cylinder on it. I found it in the trunk,in the spare tire well. The car is so solid,otherwise complete including NOS and redone trim and chrome, runs so good and is so rare that I was more concerned about getting it out of his yard before he changed his mind about the selling price than anything else. I also discovered a possible reason why the auto trans didn't work. In addition to having sat for for maybe 8 or 9 years,it took 2 quarts of ATF to get it to show on the trans dip stick. Who knows how bad it leaks or how many other quarts I will have to put into it when I start it up again? I will be going to town tomorrow to buy tags and get the title transferred into my name,and will be buying a master cylinder rebuild kit and case of Type F ATF while in town. You never really know what it is you are buying until you get it home and fool with it some. Edited November 12, 2017 by knuckleharley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhubler Posted November 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 A '51 with an automatic... it's not a Lincoln, is it?... It's always nice to find the "missing" parts still with the vehicle! I know how you feel about the price situation - the "unplanned purchase" I made last Friday a week ago was the same situation. When he told me the price, I tried not to sound too shocked or appear to be in too much of a hurry. I just said, "OK. Can I write you a check?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, fhubler said: A '51 with an automatic... it's not a Lincoln, is it?... It's always nice to find the "missing" parts still with the vehicle! I know how you feel about the price situation - the "unplanned purchase" I made last Friday a week ago was the same situation. When he told me the price, I tried not to sound too shocked or appear to be in too much of a hurry. I just said, "OK. Can I write you a check?" It's a 51 Ford Victoria 2dr ht with the original V-8 and auto trans. Been sitting for years and needs paint and chrome,but is only showing 72K miles,runs whisper quiet,and the steering wheel isn't even cracked. Other than the vent windows,all the glass is even flawless with no clouding or cracks at all. I even got both sets of original keys with it as well as a clear matching title. I asked the guy what he wanted for it,and when he told me I said "Ok,will you take cash? If so,grab the title and follow me to the bank". I am guessing I got it for a little less than half of what it should have sold for. Since I usually pay about 50 percent more than they are worth,this was exciting for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhubler Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Nice! I'm guessing its a 2 speed. Our '51 Lincoln was Hydromatic (made by GM)... Roger that about the money! When you're looking for them, you always pay too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDoctor Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Knuckleharley, Congrats on that “sweet-heart” deal you scored. Ford Victorias of the mid-fifties are rare, as you already know. But to find one that hasn’t been ravaged by time—it must have been carefully stored inside. You’re one lucky son-of-a-gun on this one. Warmest regards . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, DrDoctor said: Knuckleharley, Congrats on that “sweet-heart” deal you scored. Ford Victorias of the mid-fifties are rare, as you already know. But to find one that hasn’t been ravaged by time—it must have been carefully stored inside. You’re one lucky son-of-a-gun on this one. Warmest regards . . . Thanks. Hope to be driving it in a couple of weeks. Going to the DMV tomorrow to get a title in my name and buy tags for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, fhubler said: Nice! I'm guessing its a 2 speed. Our '51 Lincoln was Hydromatic (made by GM)... Roger that about the money! When you're looking for them, you always pay too much... Nope,it's a 3 speed. Most people think the early FOM's were 2 speeds because if you put on in Drive before taking off,it takes off in second gear. All you have to do is drop the lever down to the L position,and it shifts down to 1st gear. You still have first gear if you are starting out going up or down a steep hill,but if the road is slick there is less chance of you spinning a tire when you start out in second gear. Mopar used a different method to achieve the same results. It's really a Borg-Warner design,and the same trans used in the early 50's Studebakers. Ford didn't have a 2 speed Fordomatic until the 60's,and cars like the Falcon came out. You can put the valve body from a Cruiseomatic or FX ( I forget which at the moment) in it and it will start out in first gear from the drive position,and shift up and down like the Cruiseomatics shift. You can also push or pull the car to start if the battery is dead by dropping it down into low gear after getting up to 15 MPH or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 hours ago, knuckleharley said: I just bought another 1951 Other Make car,................................................ and case of Type F ATF while in town. suggest you read a bit more, type F did not come into play till the C4 and C6 transmissions....I think you will find the early Borg Warner made Ford-O-matic used type A fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Plymouthy Adams said: suggest you read a bit more, type F did not come into play till the C4 and C6 transmissions....I think you will find the early Borg Warner made Ford-O-matic used type A fluid. Thanks. You are probably right. It's been a LONG time since I have owned something with a FOM trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckleharley Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Plymouthy Adams said: suggest you read a bit more, type F did not come into play till the C4 and C6 transmissions....I think you will find the early Borg Warner made Ford-O-matic used type A fluid. https://www.mobil.com/english-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/glxxmobil-type-f-atf Mobil Type F ATF Mobil Passenger Vehicle Lube, United States View Mobil Type F ATF Type F Automatic Transmission Fluid Product Description Mobil Type F ATF is an automatic transmission fluid which is made from high quality base oils with viscosity index improvers, antioxidants, anti-wear agents, defoamants and special additives to provide the controlled frictional characteristics of a Type F fluid in automatic transmission applications. Applications The frictional characteristics of an automatic transmission fluid are an important factor in the design and operation of the transmission. All Ford transmissions built prior to 1977, and certain models that continued in use during 1977-1980, were designed for a high-friction fluid that allowed the shifting clutches to lock up or engage quickly. Ford specification ESW-M2C33-F covers this type of product, which is commonly referred to as "Type F" fluid. These vehicles are identified as: All 1976 and earlier Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury models of cars, vans, and light trucks; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I think the key here is transmission built by Ford....the 51 is Borg Warner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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