fargo52 Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 So I have been looking at some engine options for my 52 Fargo , I have it pulled apart to replace the many leaking gaskets and seals and timing chain debating a bigger engine swap , I got checking online and and also in my OP manual and apppearantly my engine is a 218.6 Cu.in and the head is 25" long engine ser# T307-138120, I got checking some other engines that I have in some other parts trucks and I noticed they are stamped "ind251" where the engine number is , does this mean these engines are 251 ci and are these the T317 engine or are these something different . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55 Fargo Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Yes a IND 251 is the industrial engine and is a 250.6. used in a lot of Massey combines as well as Cockshutt combines too. The cams are different on these and suited for low rpm grunt work, in many cases. I do not understand the question "are these the T317 engines", what are you asking? Contact timkingsbury for detailed info on any of these engines. There are plenty of 265 engines to be had in our area yet, I know where you could get 1 in the Swan River area if your are interested. But the IND 251 might be a good engine to rebuild and put into your truck, the 218 is almost the lowest in HP, like 95 hp....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) I was reading in the shop manual that the 250.6 Cu.in engines where originally stamped T317 . But these must be different , it's weird that I have two old trucks a 48 1 ton with a "ind251" engine in it and a 3/4 ton with a "ind251" in it , I guess it was easier to replace the original engine with these industrial engine when the original died , my 3/4 ton is suppose to have a 228Cu. in it , could I find a different cam for the 251 and maybe make these more suited for the truck ??? Edited November 15, 2016 by fargo52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55 Fargo Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, fargo52 said: I was reading in the shop manual that the 250.6 Cu.in engines where originally stamped T317 . But these must be different , it's weird that I have two old trucks a 48 1 ton with a "ind251" engine in it and a 3/4 ton with a "ind251" in it , I guess it was easier to replace the original engine with these industrial engine when the original died , my 3/4 ton is suppose to have a 228Cu. in it , could I find a different cam for the 251 and maybe make these more suited for the truck ??? yes they were replaced at some point with an industrial engine. Now you could regrind a cam for what you want, shave the head, to increase the compression and get a lot more bang for the buck. Are these engines in good running order? You may be able to use them as is, if they are in good condition. You really should contact timkingsbury, he will be able to help you out with your questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 I would have to rebuild one of the engines , but I keep looking at the spare mustang supercharger that I have and thinking it would be cool on that engine . I don't need or want to go fast just thinking it would look cool and would be different , the lower compression wouldn't be a concern and the supercharger whine would drown out the engine rattle . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Shaving the head is fine, but I do recommend copper spray on everything once it's her gasket time. I have a 251 in my 50, and I went through a few headgaskets until I used copper spray on everything. Also check out Northern Auto Parts for your rebuild parts, they got me the new pistons I needed, as my 251 IND had 3 ring pistons instead of the standard 4. Better hurry, best machine shop in Brandon is closing in December 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Got looking around at a couple more engines that I have lying around and I found this one didn't have a tape measure just curious if it is a 23 inch or 25 inch blockGot looking around at a couple more engines that I have lying around and I found this one didn't have a tape measure just curious if it is a 23 inch or 25 inch block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 And it was rebuilt once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 That C at the end might mean its a 25. If you don't have a tape you can tell from the manifolds if they are still attached. The 25" ones have through bolts holding the two manifolds together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55 Fargo Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) C Canadian engine 3 3/8 bore and 4 1/4 inch stroke = 228 ci, plus the .040 over bore P 25 1954 Plymouth Edited November 17, 2016 by Rockwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 If you have a spare intake manifold you don't want, I'm looking for one from a 25" block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I have two , that truck that we got your hood off has a Ind 251 in it if it's the same ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Yep, identical one....but I can wait until you decide which engine you want to build..sometimes best to keep the pair together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo52 Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) I think I am just going to freshen up the original engine , I like keeping the truck original and honestly I don't drive it that much ,I am just sick of it leaking oil on the garage floor . Edited November 21, 2016 by fargo52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 The 218 isn't bad, but the 251 is a good jump in power, and all the same parts as the 218 anyway. Something to consider, the engine is much easier to work on out of the truck anyway...so just about the same amount of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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