Bloody Knuckle Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 Hello everyone. I was thinking of doing a front disc conversion on my '49 Chrysler Windsor 2dr. I was looking at the Scarebird web site. They have a kit for '49-'54 Dodge, Plymouth w/11" drums. Does anyone know if the Chrysler spindles are the same as the Dodge and Plymouth of the same year? Also, any feedback on this company and kit would be welcome. Thanks. Quote
Big_John Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 I believe they are not the same, with the bolt hole spacing being farther apart for the Chrysler. Get in touch with Old Daddy on this forum and he can fix you up. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 Wheel bolt pattern all the same 5 on 4 3/4 except DeSoto and Chrysler limousine station wagon and Imperial models, 5 on 5. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 Wheel bolt pattern all the same 5 on 4 3/4 except DeSoto and Chrysler limousine station wagon and Imperial models' date=' 5 on 5.[/quote']and that determines the spindle applicationin what way? Quote
55 Fargo Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 Hello everyone. I was thinking of doing a front disc conversion on my '49 Chrysler Windsor 2dr. I was looking at the Scarebird web site. They have a kit for '49-'54 Dodge, Plymouth w/11" drums. Does anyone know if the Chrysler spindles are the same as the Dodge and Plymouth of the same year?Also, any feedback on this company and kit would be welcome. Thanks. Charlie may have developed a kit for the larger 11 inch Chrysler spindle assemblies. Others make them, ECI, Scarebird and others too. Or if you can get ahold of a set of 10 inch Plym spindles, they can be used with the applicable kits. I have 10 inch drum brakes on the front of my 47 Chrysler Coupe, someone , not Me, installed them from a 1951 Plymouth. So now if I go to a disc brake conversion, just need to use the Plym Kits....Good Luck Quote
Big_John Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 Wheel bolt pattern all the same 5 on 4 3/4 except DeSoto and Chrysler limousine station wagon and Imperial models' date=' 5 on 5.[/quote']5 on 4 1/2..... And we're talking spindle size here, not wheel bolt pattern. Quote
Big_John Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=27160 Read the last post in the thread. Quote
55 Fargo Posted August 3, 2012 Report Posted August 3, 2012 5 on 4 1/2..... And we're talking spindle size here, not wheel bolt pattern. He might be suggesting the big Chryslers with the 12 inch brakes, may have different larger spindles. The Windsors used 11 inch brakes, and 4.5 X5 for wheel bolt pattern size. Quote
james curl Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 In Charlies post he said "I now have kits that will fit all Chrysler products, cars and trucks from around 1930 to 1960. I have kits that will fit the small Plymouth spindles, the larger Dodge/DeSoto/Chrysler spindles, and the very large Chrysler spindles. And I can convert all the four holes spindles on cars and trucks. Details are on my web page, www.rustyhope.com. Kits are $175". So I take to mean that he has a kit now for every MoPar vehicle from 1930 to 1960. Not trying to be smart, just taking Charlie at his word. Quote
Big_John Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) He might be suggesting the big Chryslers with the 12 inch brakes, may have different larger spindles.The Windsors used 11 inch brakes, and 4.5 X5 for wheel bolt pattern size. FWIW, my 53 Windsor has the large spindles, 12" brakes and a 4 1/2 bolt circle with 5 bolts. The larger wagon/limo for 53 had the same size spindles and brakes but with 5 on 5 bolt circle. But OK... did Chrysler ever offer a 5 on 4 3/4" bolt circle? I don't know of one, but I could be mistaken. Edited August 4, 2012 by Big_John Quote
55 Fargo Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 FWIW, my 53 Windsor has the large spindles, 12" brakes and a 4 1/2 bolt circle with 5 bolts. The larger wagon/limo for 53 had the same size spindles and brakes but with 5 on 5 bolt circle.But OK... did Chrysler ever offer a 5 on 4 3/4" bolt circle? I don't know of one, but I could be mistaken. thanx, I knew they used the 12s later,but was referring to 46-50 or so. The 53, with the 12 inch brakes, did they still use the same knuckle spindle assembly as the earlier 11 inch brakes, was this a larger backing plate to accomodate the larger 12 inch brakes for the 1953 model year..... Quote
james curl Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 Why does it matter what size bolt pattern the hubs carried, you asked for a bracket that would fit the 12" drum spindles and Charlie says that he has brackets for those spindles, I suggest you contact him to ask what size disk his brackets require. That is the only to find out if he does indeed have a bracket for 12" disc and where do you find the disc to use with his kit. I am not trying to be smart with my answer but we are just going around in circles over this issue. Maybe Charlie will log on to the forum and read the question and answer. Quote
littlemo Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 I used Charlies kit to convert from drum to disc brakes on the front of my 48 Plymouth sedan; he supplies a complete set of installation instructions and "parts needed" list by supplier part numbers and applications with each kit. Cass, alias littlemo... Quote
Big_John Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 thanx, I knew they used the 12s later,but was referring to 46-50 or so. The 53, with the 12 inch brakes, did they still use the same knuckle spindle assembly as the earlier 11 inch brakes, was this a larger backing plate to accomodate the larger 12 inch brakes for the 1953 model year..... No, the spindle on my 53 Windsor is larger. There seems to be three sizes and mine is the largest. Quote
Bloody Knuckle Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Posted August 6, 2012 Thanks for the replies. What Info I'm looking for is if the Dodge/Plymouth spindles with 11" brakes are the same as the Chrysler spindles with 11" brakes. I was looking for a bolt on kit for my Chrysler. Want to know if either kit Scarebird offers is bolt on. Quote
Olddaddy Posted August 7, 2012 Report Posted August 7, 2012 Plymouth used the smallest spindle/brake combo. Dodge, Chrysler, and DeSoto shared a larger combo, and the very big Chrysler and DeSoto wagons and limousines had the largest setup. I can, and have converted all of them from the very early 30s to late 50s and trucks up into the 60s. The larger Chryslers and DeSoto's have a bastard sized spindle that has to be machined to get standard wheel bearings to fit. Other than that all of the cars and trucks can be converted using mostly the same parts interchangeably. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted August 7, 2012 Report Posted August 7, 2012 Olddaddy Oldaddy how does your Mopar's go.. dirty wheel wells and radiator shells and spindles, all in a row..! Quote
wayfarer Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 Thanks for the replies. Want to know if either kit Scarebird offers is bolt on. Wouldn't it be more efficient to ask them...? Quote
Bloody Knuckle Posted August 10, 2012 Author Report Posted August 10, 2012 Wouldn't it be more efficient to ask them...? I did, which is why I posted here. Thanks for you help. Quote
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