startermotor - flywheel question

[DutchEdwin]

When I put the starter motor in place the gear teeth engage 4mm into the flywheel teeth.I checked the starter motor serial number. It is the same as in the service manual, type MCH 6206.

I cleaned and oiled the bendix drive, but somehow it does not go back any further. I can turn it to go back further but then I will wind the bendix spring so it will push it back again on release.

When mounted on the bellhousing and I turn the engine by hand, I can hear the starter motor idler rattle.

Is this normal?

The car is described below.

Edited February 18, 2010 by DutchEdwin

[Robert Horne]

My book list the 6206 as a Dodge, 1953, 11-lb torque, for a V8 engine. My book list starters, 1942 to 1952 have 4.4 torque, to 6-lb torque. What year and type engine do you have??......I have a 6206 on my 36 Dodge engine 20 years now, works good.....

[Young Ed]

Per Edwin's signature "1955 Plymouth Plaza Suburban, P27 V8 poly head engine with 4 barrol carb."

[Frank Elder]

When I put the starter motor in place the gear teeth engage 4mm into the flywheel teeth.I checked the starter motor serial number. It is the same as in the service manual, type MCH 6206.

I cleaned and oiled the bendix drive, but somehow it does not go back any further. I can turn it to go back further but then I will wind the bendix spring so it will push it back again on release.

When mounted on the bellhousing and I turn the engine by hand, I can hear the starter motor idler rattle.

Is this normal?

The car is described below.

If you don't enable your signature we can't see it without going to your profile.

Edited February 20, 2010 by FRANKIE47

[DutchEdwin]

I decided to take the starter apart, to the last screw.

I discovered that the previous owner also did, but didn't assemble correct, resulting in the bendix not traveling the whole length of the screw.

What happened.

The bendix screw has three groves. The bendix nut has two spring loaded sliders. (see picture 1). There is only 1 way to assemble this. The screw should go in the correct grove. If you turn the nut 120 or 240 degrees relative to the screw, the result will be that the nut will travel only 1/3 of the length of the screw. (see picture 2 for wrong assembly, picture 3 for correct assembly).

BTW Frankie, my signature switch is always on, so I do not know why you cannot see it.

Edited February 19, 2010 by DutchEdwin

[Joe Flanagan]

Looks very familiar since I had mine apart numerous times a few weeks ago. Since my car is a 49, the bendix assembly is not as complicated as yours.

[DutchEdwin]

Joe,

While I was at it, why not taking it apart completely..

[Joe Flanagan]

That's pretty much what I do. Anything worth doing is worth over-doing.

I did not notice those two spring type devices that to into the grooves when I took my Bendix apart. Now I'm curious about them. But the starter is installed and I'm not taking it out again unless there's a problem.

[Frank Elder]

If you don't enable your signature we can't see it without going to your profile.

Dutch, I do believe an apology is in order..so sorry...MY signature enable box was not checked in thread options, I did so by mistake and really never paid any more attention to it.

[DutchEdwin]

That's pretty much what I do. Anything worth doing is worth over-doing.

I did not notice those two spring type devices that to into the grooves when I took my Bendix apart. Now I'm curious about them. But the starter is installed and I'm not taking it out again unless there's a problem.

Joe,

I do not know where they are for either. I discovered something was wrong when I turned the crank by hand. As you are also about to start your car, you will be doing turning it by hand also. If you hear no rattle from the idler mechanism......well I guess you are ok (if you had no parts left on the bench after assembly).

Good luck today, and have fun