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Andydodge

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I have acouple of questions about my P11 coupe.....

1. there are a couple of "countersunk" type holes on the side panel when you open the hood......what are they for?

2. what size are the hood bumpers supposed to be on the side panels?

3. the hooded parking light bezels have a large hole at their trailing point or rear where a bolt goes thru into the fender......on my car its just a 3/16th fine threaded sloted screw that is used.....is this actually correct?....did they originally have a captive nut/nutsert type thing? or were they held on by a bolt from underneath the fender into a blind hole in the bezel?.....the setup I have with the sloted screw looks very agricultural.......lol

thanks fo any info.......Andy Douglas

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I don't know about the first couple of things, Andy, but usually headlight and parking

light screws have a Phillips head, not a slot. Maybe your original screws have been

replaced. My P15 headlight stuff is just screws - no nuts and bolts.

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Andy:

Onthe countersunk holes that you are refering to are these onthe cowel and when looking at the cowel from the front on the car they would be on the left side of the engine compartment. On my 39 Desoto they were used for the heater two hole for the plumbing of the hoeses to the block and three holes for the bolts that were used to hold the unit to the firewall.

I am assuming this is what you are referencing.

Pictures of the area will help us to help you with your issue.

rich

desoto1939@aol.com

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Bill, yep the countersunk holes are on the US drivers side panel, above where the hood cable runs........no one have a definate answer regarding the hood bumpers that are on the side panels, there are about 4-5 on each side...............and Bob , thanks re the bezel screws, I had got some phillips head screws for the bezel ends but its a pain trying to reach under the fender to hold the corresponding nut, just thought they might have originally had a captive nut there........., andyd

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Bill, curious as to what size the bumpers should be,there are 5 holes, each hole is 9/32" in size and from the remnants of old paint that has been poorly repainted over it appears that the bumpers were about 1/2-9/16".......and would still love to know what the countersunk hole beside one of these bumper holes is for.......lol.........thanks, andyd

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usually headlight and parking

light screws have a Phillips head, not a slot.

On my '38 Chrysler all the screws are slotted. Window moulding, headlight and tail light trim, door handles, trunk handle, grill, big screws on door hinges, etc. all use slotted. When I restored my car, I made a point of using slotted screws whenever possible. Restoration Specialties had a good selection and I used them when the originals were too badly damaged and I couldn't find them locally. I am not sure when Chrysler started using Phillips but I think shortly after. What type of screws are used to hold your window mouldings (trim) in place? I believe Cadillac:eek: was the first car to use Phillips.

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Robert, as this is not a resto, rather a resto rod I replaced all the sloted screws on the window garnish moldings with chromed phillips heads screws, but the parking light bezels still have slotted screws on either side with a phillips head on the trailing edge, am gunna replace all of them with something that doesn't protrude so much.......andyd

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Robert:

My 39 Desoto has the original philips head screen to hold the door hinges to the frame. Also on my headlight door one of the screws is phillips and the other is slotted. The top screw is phillips and the bottom is slotted. These are orginal since the top screw sits in a raise section that has a cross etched in the chrome section.

look in the doors on your cars and you might find various types of screws. I can see why they used the phillips inthe door so they can get a better grip on the screw head.

rich

desoto1939@aol.com

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Tom:

My 39 Desoto had the holes for the rubber but on mine it was one continuous piece of rubber and not individula bumpers. No one is making a single piece of rubber modling so everyone is using individual bumpers.

I can not provide any more help but thought that this little bit of history might be usefull.

rich

desoto1939@aol.com

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Robert:

My 39 Desoto has the original philips head screen to hold the door hinges to the frame. Also on my headlight door one of the screws is phillips and the other is slotted. The top screw is phillips and the bottom is slotted. These are orginal since the top screw sits in a raise section that has a cross etched in the chrome section.

look in the doors on your cars and you might find various types of screws. I can see why they used the phillips inthe door so they can get a better grip on the screw head.

rich

desoto1939@aol.com

Rich, sounds like '39 maybe Chrysler started changing over to Phillips screws but my '38 was all slotted, every screw in it without exception. As I said, I kept it that way as well. Best head on a screw is the Robinson which is very popular in Canada where it was invented but not so well known in the US. Apparently China now controls the patent on it so you may be seeing more of them.

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ANDY...there are 4 little rubber bumpers on each side..the 4th one is hidden in back of the hood spring. the countersunk hole is in the middle and ONLYon the drivers side. yes a mystery.

the rubber bumpers are 1/2 in diameter and 1/4 in high. on a rubber peg with a bulge on the end so it wont pull out.

thre doesnt seem to be anything under that hole either.

bill

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Bill thanks for the info re the bumpers, and am pleased that the countersunk hole has got you intrigued also.....its an odd one.........lol.........thanks again, andyd

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