Norm's Coupe

I've really never seen an indicator for the P15. Just heard about them some years back on this forum. But........back then someone mentioned they tried one off a D24 for use on a P15. Evidently the one for the D24 is a little too large to fit the hole in the dash, according to all the conversation that went on back then. But........I think they also said you could make the D24 indicator fit by making the hole larger in the P15 dash. Don't quote me on this. I'm just going by what I remember about that thread long ago. Don't know if I'm remembering everything right or not. Should be somewhere in the old archives though, or on the CD that GTK made.

Robert, The dash turn signal indicator looks like your high beam indicator on the dash. Only difference is, the one with the indicator lights have an arrow that lights up on each side of the high beam light indicator. Those are really rare.

If all four came off a Plymouth, they are all the same manufacturers, even if they came from different cars. That is unless someone replaced them with an aftermarket one at some point. But........if you want brand new ones, try Kanter Auto Parts. They have a web site. They also have an 800 number. Their paper catalog shows front and rear new drums for the P15. But.......be ready to dig deep into your wallet. Personally, I'd either take Robert up on his, or whoever the two people are who had them when you called.

Marty, You may not have actually served in Vietnam, but you did serve during Vietnam in a support role. So..........you are just as much a Vietnam veteran as those who were actually in Vietnam. I was in Army from 61 - 67. I never served in Vietnam though. Was in Korea in 62 - 63 when they were sending volunteers to Vietnam. However, Korea also needed US service people to serve there. Later, I was in the states a few years, then off to Paris, France from 66 - 67. Regardless of where we served during that period, we could have been sent into combat at any time. If we didn't serve in other places, they would have needed addition people. So........we all did our part in support, or actual combat during that period, making us also veterans of the era. Don't forget, those were different times. We had the cold war still going in Europe. The Korean war still going. In fact, that's still going today as a peace treaty has never been signed. It's just a truce or cease fire that is still in effect today, and could open up at any time. Then of course where the actual shooting was taking place in Vietnam. The people in the states supported all three fronts. So.......even those who never left the states during that period also did their part in Vietnam by being support personnel. You can't fight a war without those behind the scene's providing support those who are fighting.

I couldn't have said it better about EZ Outs. I stopped using those years ago too, for the same reasons you mentioned. The left hand drill bits that JohnS mentioned though work very well for me.

I bought a new spring for the engine in my coupe when I rebuilt my engine. All I did was take the spring to the auto parts store and matched it up with a new one hanging on the rack. First one I bought was too stiff, so went back and got a weaker one.

Not scorning anyone here. I enjoy doing things myself to, just to be able to say I did it myself. I did have friends in the know helping me with the rebuild on my engine. But.......I did do the whole interior on my coupe myself, including hand sewing the door panels together, and rebuilding the sun visor's and then hand sewing the covering for them. But........here again, that saved me a bundle to do it myself. If you have to remove a broken screw from a wheel cylinder though, you are going to get little metal slivers dropping into the hole where the bleeder screw is. So........to get those out, you are going to have to tear down the whole wheel cylinder. If you pull it apart to get those slivers out, you really shouldn't reuse the rubber parts again. So........that means buying a rebuild kit for about $10 to $15, plus buy the new bleeder screw. So.........really how much of a savings did you get by doing that? You really aren't saving $30 (cost of new cylinder), you're only saving about $15 tops. So.........for $15 I rather have a new wheel cylinder that I can just bolt onto the car. I can still say I fixed it myself too. But........to each their own. Just like the earlier post I made about saving time for other things. I said I had to go out and blow the leaves to the street for the garbage men to pick up. Went out to do that and decided that was a waste of time and energy, so never did blow them down to the street. That's because, if I had blown them to the street, I would still need to cut the grass due to all the rain we had the past few weeks. (Normally don't need to cut the grass here in November). So........I just got out the lawnmower, cut the grass and mulched the leaves all at once. Now there are no leaves to blow down to the street. Killed two birds with one stone that way.:cool:

The P15 clocks are hard to find at a reasonable price on the internet, like ebay. If that one Tim was talking about for only $52, it was a steal at that price. Usually, they go for at least $150 and far up from there on ebay. But.......as Tim mentioned. If you go to enough swap meets, you'll probably find one cheap, it'll just take some time unless you get lucky. I know a guy who bought a P15 clock at a swap meet a few years ago for only $10. That said, don't jump on a clock just because a seller says it'll fit a P15. Many of the sellers don't know it, but......the clocks that fit the 46 - 48 Chrysler, Dodge and DeSoto will NOT fit the P15. The P15 clock is smaller. Best way to spot a P15 clock is the knob for setting the time. On the P15 clock, it's right in the middle of the number 6. On the others, the knob is just above the 6 and you can see the whole number 6. Those will NOT fit your P15.

Tim, I'll grant you that. But........in the time it takes to fix something that cheap and easy to replace, you could be doing something else to the car that isn't so easy or cheap to fix. Or.........working on another hobby, or fixing something else not car or hobby related, like your house for example. We only have so much time to spend on a hobby. Can't spend all our time on the hobby, otherwise other things pile up on us. Then we end up spending more money to have someone else fix the non hobby things, than that wheel cylinder (for example) would cost. As an example, as soon as I post this, I have to go outside (it's about 65 degrees) and blow the leaves out to the street for the garbage men to pick up. Then I have to clean out the gutters before the snow flies, so that will be done today too. Now, if I spent that time trying to get a screw out of a $30 buck item, then had to hire someone to clean up the leaves and clean the gutters, it would cost me 50 bucks or more. Plus, I have other hobbies I like to do besides the car. We only have so much hobby time to spend, so I try to spend it wisely. Take yourself for example with all those cars you have to fix up. If you spent all your time on those, you would have had to hire people to put that new floor in your house, and the other things you've been working on in the house. For the work you've done on the house, you probably could have bought a car already done. By doing the house yourself, you've saved a lot more money than a contractor would have charged. So.........you car projects sit idle while you are doing that, and that's OK.

Robert, you are right, 30 bucks, is 30 bucks. But.......really, what will 30 bucks buy today. Not very much. You're lucky if it will buy you a pair of jeans. That why I said what I did. By spending the 30 bucks, I don't have to spend an hour or more removing the screw and cleaning up the wheel cylinder, then buying a rebuild kit to rebuild it with. Something that cheap and easy to buy just isn't worth my time to mess with. Now, if it's a part that isn't easily replaced, then I'll take the time to try and fix it, if I can.

Now, that statement about the sales people really gives me a good chuckle.:D But..........those same types of sales people are not confined to just Chrysler dealerships. You'll find them at any make car dealership. That said, there are some honest ones out there. They are not all that way. You have to remember the car sales people usually don't get paid a real salary. They are normally paid a low weekly salary, plus commission. In addition, the salary is not a real salary in most cases. It's a draw against future commissions for their sales. What that means is. If they get paid $150 salary this week in salary and earn $300 in commissions. The $150 salary is then deducted from the $300. So........their check for that week is only $300, not $450, because they had to pay back the $150 draw against their commission. The $150 draw is only paid when they don't make any commissions that week. Now, if they go so many weeks without earning at least enough to pay back that $150 draw salary, they are usually let go. That's why you see so many ads in the classified ads each week for car sales people. They have a very high turn over rate. Any business that uses that type of pay system is usually encouraging that type of behavior of over selling the product. It's really not a good system in my view, but.....it does allow the business to hire many sales people at one time, because they really aren't paying those people.

I agree with Robert. You probably won't find a true NOS one that was never used. If you buy a used one, more than likely it's going to have some small dent or bends in it too. So........unless yours is so bad it's not serviceable, I'd just paint it. If you have any good size dents in it, just knock them out a little and call it a day. After all, if you take your car to a show, 99% of the people looking at it are not going to get under the car to look at an oil pan. And, if they do........there's a reply for those who would mention a dent in the oil pan. Simply say, if they buy you a better one and install it, you'll let them change it. Otherwise, it's not your car, so don't worry about it.

I wouldn't bother getting the bleeder screw out myself. A new wheel cylinder is only about $30, and easily bought locally. I'd just buy a new one and chuck the old one.

They look good.........but, you'll have to remove them again when you put the windlace around the doors. Windlace is attached behind the kick panels and under the headliner.

And when it does work, you then have to sit on hold for 20 or 30 minutes for a live body to answer.

Not sure, but I would think a manifold from either the 218 or the 230 would be the same. The engine block is the same. Only difference is that the 230 has a larger crank, etc. I don't have an extra of either though.

Bob........that could be because he lived before they had locksmiths.

Pete, What can I say? I'm just old fashioned like my coupe is, plus I'm older than the coupe.:D So.........guess that makes me an antique or classic too.:D

About the same here, except the plates stay with the owner, not the car. Also In Wisconsin if the car is between 20 and 24 years old you can still buy the plates, but.....you have to have it inspected the first time it's registered. If it's 25 years old or older, you never have to have it inspected. Actually, it's not a full inspection here in any case. It's just an emissions for cars between 20 and 24 years old.

The DCPD original keys I had made at the key shop are brass. The old ones that came with the car when I bought it were also brass with the DCPD logo. That said, I do have a blank set that I bought off ebay a long time ago that are aluminum. Not sure if the aluminum ones say DCPD or not, haven't looked at them since I bought them.

Ahhhh........but what happens if it doesn't end in 2012. Then you'll have to pay at least another $146. I bought the plates for my 48 Plymouth in 1995, and they never expire. Can even transfer them to another old car should I ever want to.

One good reason (at least for me) is, the radio/CD player is already in the car and paid for, and so are the CD's. So........why would I want to go out and buy another gadget for a hundred bucks or more to play music, listen to books, or whatever. Not only that, the iPhone would be just something else to carry around. The car CD player is always there and I don't have to carry it with me. Not to mention the fact that I would have to spend all that time loading the iPhone with 2500 songs. Actually, listening to a book would bore me to death anyway. I don't even like narrated movies. That said, 2500 songs is a lot of songs to listen to anywhere. When the wife and I take a trip, we like to talk to each other anyway, and discuss the trip and/or scenery along the way. That's kind of annoying to have the radio or CD going and try to talk over the noise.

Making that truck into an advertising truck would also make the cost of the truck purchase, insurance, plus repairs on it tax deductible too, as a business expense. The truck would have to be titled to the business to make those deductions legal though.:cool:

I agree about getting someone away from a desk at the DMV. I believe you can also drive to any State Patrol station in Wisconsin to have them verify the numbers though. I've never had a need to, but.....have been told you do that if you don't have a title for the car. They inspect it there and I guess they'll give you paper work to take to the DMV.

That's funny about the pens. But.....that wouldn't bother me. I always carry my own anyway. They charge you a couple of bucks extra here too if you go into the DMV for your license plates. However, they allow you to mail it in without an extra fee, you don't have to use a computer to go online. The state of PA also forces people to go online for filing their business taxes, or use a telefile system over the phone talking to a computer. So.......since we are required to file there because we have a physical presence in the state, we use the the telefile system. Of course we have internet to do it, but.........just like with my personal finances, I don't do things on the internet for business either. Even Wisconsin is slowly converting to doing the same thing PA is doing.