MarcDeSoto Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) I still have an oil pan that I saved from a 1948 Dodge sedan that I parted out many years ago. So it went on a Dodge 230 c.i. engine. At least my memory thinks that. It's possible that this oil pan fits a Chrysler or DeSoto six? This oil pan is almost 27" long. The width is about 11 1/4". Does anyone know how long a 48 DeSoto oil pan is and also a 48 Dodge? Does that sound like the right size for a 48 Dodge and Plymouth? I think it would also fit a Plymouth 217 c.i. engine. Does anyone know what years and makes this oil pan would fit? I'm thinking maybe 41-52 Dodge and Plymouth, or maybe more years. I know the part number for a P-15 Plymouth oil pan is 857630. If anyone out there has a Parts List for a D-24 Dodge, I would like to know the part number that is listed for a Dodge oil pan. Let me know if I'm wrong. I'm selling it on Ebay and would like to be able to say what years and cars it fits. I think Chrysler and DeSoto sixes have a longer oil pan due to a longer block. Thanks. Edited October 24, 2019 by MarcDeSoto Quote
MarcDeSoto Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Posted October 24, 2019 Uh oh! I just measured the length of the block on my 48 DeSoto. It's about 25" in length. Could my oil pan really be for a straight 8? It's about 27" long? Quote
Andydodge Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 I havn't any exact measurements to go on but if that oil pan came off either a Dodge or Plymouth with the 23" six then thats what it is for......201, 217.8 or 230 cubic inches .......they are all 23" long cylinder head engines............the oil pan should be LONGER than the cylinder head simply because it fits from the rear of the crank to the front of the timing cover whereas the head just sits on the top of the block and is shorter than the oil pan..................the only exception I can think of would be if the Dodge or Plymouth was a Canadian built car that should have had a 25" long head or if you got the pan from someone here in Australia as we seem to have had either/and/ or both size engines......sometimes in the same year.............lol.........my 2 oz cents worth........lol......andyd Quote
Tony WestOZ Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Rough measurements of the sump of my 25" block engine are 27" x 11 1/2". Tony Quote
MarcDeSoto Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Posted October 24, 2019 Thanks Andy and Tony. That info is very helpful! My memory is wrong. I didn't get this oil pan from my 48 Dodge. I think I got it at a swap meet in the 80s. You see some time has elapsed and I just thought I got the pan from that car. Now I think I sold the whole engine to someone back then. Do oil pans have a part number somewhere? So my spare oil pan must fit a DeSoto or Chrysler six cylinder. If anyone knows, how long is a Chrysler straight 8 oil pan? Now I can change my Ebay ad accordingly. By the way, Tony what is your car that has the 25" block? Quote
Tony WestOZ Posted October 25, 2019 Report Posted October 25, 2019 The engines I have are truck engines. We only used 25" blocks in Australian trucks from 39 until 62. As Andy says cars could have a 23" or 25" block even in the same model car. Tony Quote
MarcDeSoto Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Posted October 25, 2019 Yes, so you had a Chrysler six or DeSoto engine block in your trucks. The Dodge and Plymouth have the 23" engine blocks, at least in the U.S.A. Quote
Tony WestOZ Posted October 25, 2019 Report Posted October 25, 2019 The 25" engines used here were Canadian at least up to 52. Then there is some confusion as to whether engines were imported from KEW England as they carry the KEW or TE engine prefix. The V8`s used here were Canadian. It was to do with imports from a Commonwealth country there was a savings on import tax. The 23" engines were American. Why we used these I don`t know. Tony Quote
Andydodge Posted October 29, 2019 Report Posted October 29, 2019 It appears that at least in the 50's that if you ordered a car with the standard 3 speed gearbox then you got a 23" engine, if you wanted an Overdrive, Powerflite or Torqueflite in the 1958-62 Chrysler Royals then you got a 25" engine, the 303/313 V8's used in the Royals from 1957 to 1962 could only be had with initially the Powerflite but Torqueflite from 1959 to 1962..........and for even more trivial information when you ordered a Chrysler Royal 6 with the standard trans you actually got an Oz made gearbox with the selectors on the Oz drivers side and the gearbox did NOT have the parking brake at the end of the transmission...........these standard trans cars had the parking brake setup in each rear brake drum.......I've had one of these gearboxes yrs ago and at the time didn't know where it was from..............andyd Quote
Tony WestOZ Posted October 29, 2019 Report Posted October 29, 2019 I have to admit I am finding the car setups a bit confusing. I have been loading the AP series manuals into my PC over the last week, it`s the first time I have really studied them. More into the trucks. From 54-55 when the 230 replaced the 228 Canadian long block the standard 3 speed was on the 230. The Overdrive and Powerflite were on the 250 up to 58. From 57 when the AP1 was introduced The standard 3 speed was on the 230 with the standard 3 speed overdrive and powerflite being available on the 250. It all seems to depend on when it was produced and what serial number the car carries. Tony Quote
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