Guest bewillie Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Funny, Just because it isn't done your way its garbage. Each to his own and I like old cars. When you buy it do what you want with it. I'll look at it because you did it your way. Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbuhagiar Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) Look at it this way, if your neighbor had a Rolex watch which no loger runs and he goes and buys a Timex at Wally World and put the Timex movement in the Rolex case behind the Rolex dial, then comes to you showing off his watch do you still consider it a Rolex? Yes - a Rolex that has been modified. If he is happy with how the new Timex movement works, and he doesn't try to pass it off as anything but what it really is, it doesn't matter. In fact, he may even argue that it is better with that Timex movement, because it wont cost him a small fortune to get it fixed if it ever breaks. Of course, it may be worthless and blasphemous to a diehard Rolex afficianado since it is no longer 100% original. But it still has worth to the owner, and to many other folks out there. The Plymouth is still a Plymouth, regardless of what is under the hood. Cars are primarily known for the bodies, not the engines within. Jensen Interceptors of the late 60s & early 70s were all factory equipped with either 383 or 440 Mopar engines - does that make them Chrysler cars? No, they're still Jensens. Look, preferences are like belly buttons (remember those?) - everybody has one. You are not crazy about MoPar cars with non-MoPar engines. I get that, and it is perfectly understandable. But to imply that the owner of that custom Plymouth is somehow embarrassed by his Chevy drivetrain? Nope, I don't see it. That doesn't look like a car that has anything to be embarrassed about. Disclaimer: My 47 Plymouth Special Deluxe Club Coupe has a Corvette engine and a Turbo 350, so my view may be somewhat biased! Best Wishes to you and to the Spirit of Lively Discussion of All Topics Automotive! Edited July 13, 2011 by kbuhagiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkestes41 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 and he doesn't try to pass it off as anything but what it really is That is where the issue comes in with what I am getting at. It seems to me that by the owners of the cars adding these ships, embroidery on the seats, trunk dividers etc they are passing it off as something it is not. Just as if the guy with the modified Rolex bought a new band with ROLEX in huge letters on it. The Plymouth is still a Plymouth, regardless of what is under the hood. Cars are primarily known for the bodies, not the engines within. I kind of disagree with this statement just as I would say the 67 Camaro with a Hemi in it is not really a Chevy any longer. Jensen Interceptors of the late 60s & early 70s were all factory equipped with either 383 or 440 Mopar engines - does that make them Chrysler cars? No, they're still Jensens. No I would not consider those to be Chryslers as they were originally designed and produced with the 383 or 440. But to imply that the owner of that custom Plymouth is somehow embarrassed by his Chevy drivetrain? Nope, I don't see it. That doesn't look like a car that has anything to be embarrassed about. The "is he embarrassed" statement was made tounge in cheek and I would agree that the owner is neither embarrassed by the car nor should he be as it is a great looking car. Disclaimer: My 47 Plymouth Special Deluxe Club Coupe has a Corvette engine and a Turbo 350, so my view may be somewhat biased! I have known your car is Chevy powered for quite some time from previous posts here and on the HAMB. I also believe your car is a great looking car. Have not noticed anything about your car to indicate that you have gone out of your way to label your car as a Plymouth like the other labeling I have mentioned above. I guess I just consider the body of a car to be in effect the wrapper while the drivetrain is the heart of the car. Just like a Three Muskateer in a Snickers wrapper is not a Snickers. And don't think that I am a Mopar snob. I really don't have a problem with someone mixing brands ( not what I personally would do either way Mopar in a Chevy of Chevy in a Mopar ) I just wonder why folks with mixes sometimes appear to try to go out of their way to label their car as the brand of the body when that really is not what it is any longer. Just like the guys who put a small block Chevy in their car then plop on a set of fake Oldsmobile or Cadillac or Hemi valve covers. They are trying to label it as something it is not. Best Wishes to you and to the Spirit of Lively Discussion of All Topics Automotive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLeonard Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 The engine is often what determines what classification a car winds up in at a show. My Corvette club runs an all GM show but will accept any vehicle with a GM engine no matter what brand of car it is in. I went to the Ford nationals in Carlisle, Pa once and there was a 57 chevy with a Ford 289 v8 in it. It looked weird but what could they do? I doubt he won any prizes, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) I think the whole idea of car crafting, hot rodding; whatever you want to call it is to take the car you want to spend your time and $$ on and personalize it to the way you want it. I'm putting a 5.3 LS based Chevy in mine because Chevy built this motor with 290hp, great flowing aluminum heads, forged internals, and 6 bolt main bearings and slapped them in hundreds of thousands of trucks. I bought a 60,000 mile engine from a 2002 Suburban for $500, added a few speed parts, and ended up with almost 400hp for about $1500. It's a great design engine and the aftermarket has a lot of support for it. If Ford or Chrysler had something better for the same price range, I'd have done that. If you're restoring something to be original or you just have nostalgic sentiment for the old 40's drivetrains, leave the old flattie in it. I'd like to take some long trips in mine and be able to cruise at 80mph with the A/C on while im looking at that cool 1948 dash layout and look down that football field length hood. In my case, I wanted to get the most bang for my buck, which happens to be a Chevy. If Dodge, Ford, Toyota, or whoever has a better product in my price range for the car I want to build, lay it on me and i'll gladly drop it between the fenders. Edited July 14, 2011 by falconvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Just to throw a spanner in the works as to what a car actually is..........have a look at my 1940 Dodge D15 4dr sedan.............what?......a Dodge?...........its a Plymouth body, Dodge grille, Plymouth fenders,bumpers,head & tailights, Dodge badges & dash.............oh...and its a damn Hot Rod to boot!!!!!!!!...........and its got a 313 Chrysler Poly V8............what IS this thing???????.........well its an Oz built D15 1940 Dodge............these used a combination of Dodge & Plymouth parts and then I go and hotrod it........yep, its been a hotrod since 1973.......and the "chrysler" 318 engine.......well thats what the 1962 Chrysler Royals came with over here........a 1962 Chrysler Royal donated its running gear..............as for that p15 Plymouth and its Chev engine........so what???...........big deal.........at least its getting driven and used........you don't like it?..........don't look..............or better still, look, enjoy & compliment the owner for using it.........then go home and BUILD one better yourself............this is nice car.....and its a Plymouth to boot..........just leave it at that......Andy Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkestes41 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Again, I think everyone is missing the point of my original post in this thread and has started a discussion that has nothing to do with what I posted. I have no issues with him using a Cheby in his Plymouth (not what I would do but) it is a nice looking car and it is good to see it being driven. My original post had nothing to do with bashing or bad mouthing him for using a bowtie drivetrain. As I said, I view the drivetrain as the heart of a car so I just wonder why someone uses one brand of drivetrain but add embelishment to the car proclaiming it is another brand. And this will be the end of what I have to say on this. Edited July 16, 2011 by hkestes41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bewillie Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 The real point is, it's his car. I'll bet he did it because he could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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