aero3113 Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 Thought you guys mught like this http://store.honestcharley.com/flatheads-forever.html Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 The "Flatheads Forever" slogan comes from the V8 flathead Fords, not our Mopar 6 cylinder flatheads. Check out the old Ford vendors that specialize in Ford parts for Fords from 1954 back to the beginning of the flathead Ford V8. Most all of them will have something that says "Flatheads Forever" be it T-shirts, plaques or whatever. There is no picture of that plaque on the site, but if you could see the picture, my money says it will show a V8 Ford flathead. Quote
Dennis Hemingway Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 If you look at the topper you will see that it is in the shape of a Furd V-8 Flathead, but it is still a flathead. Dennis:cool: Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 If you look at the topper you will see that it is in the shape of a Furd V-8 Flathead, but it is still a flathead.Dennis:cool: I couldn't bring that particular picture up for some reason. Got most of the rest of them though. Oh well. That was my point, they always show the Ford flathead. So.........at most shows (especially hot rod and street rod shows) if you say you have a flathead, people will automatically assume you have a Ford V8 flathead under the hood, not a Mopar 6, or even a Ford flathead 6 for that matter. Quote
De Soto Frank Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 Maybe one of us clever MoPar types could come-up with a tag-topper variant in the likeness of the Chrysler Corp. Flathead Six cylinder head... ( I just counted the bolt-heads on that Ford topper... I only came up with 20 (not counting the four "spark-plugs")... didn't know Ford made a "20-stud" V-8... I wonder if this Ford topper "overheats" or "vapor-locks" ) De Soto Frank Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 ( I just counted the bolt-heads on that Ford topper... I only came up with 20 (not counting the four "spark-plugs")... didn't know Ford made a "20-stud" V-8... I wonder if this Ford topper "overheats" or "vapor-locks" ) De Soto Frank Don't they all overheat? Why else did Ford put two water pumps on them. One for each side of the block. Quote
De Soto Frank Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 Well, I've been reading some articles over the last year that suggest that Fords did not "always overheat"... Those sources suggest that some of the issues with the flatty V-8s running hot would be the result of block /radiator choked with rust, and/or replacement water-pumps that tend to cause cavitation ( no circulation ). ( I don't know; I wasn't around them "back in the good old days", and my family tended towards Chevrolet and MoPars) One other factor might be the prevalance nowadays of ethylene glycol anti-freezes, which do not transfer heat as well as plain water or water treated with alcohol antifreeze... ??? And, I've read that Thermo-syphon cooling systems, as used in the Model T and on some Farmalls, actually works most efficiently when the water is at or near the boiling-point... But it's still fun to tease the blue-oval guys about overheating, and all those clothes-pins on their fuel lines ! Quote
Don Coatney Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 When I was a snot nose kid in the 50's one of my neighbors built a couple of short track furd flathead race cars. I, being the curious kid that I was, would hang out and pick up a wrench whenever possible. Of interest the chassie setup consisted of all the neighborhood kids hainging onto the left side of the car while it was jacked up on the right side. The race car owner would then crawl under the left side of the car and secure a couple of chains with stove bolts in them around the left side suspension to limit the suspension travel. When we kids would jump off the car would be held in a "list" to the left position. On the race track over heating problem, the car owner would weld a flat washer with a small hole into each of the two goose necks above the water pumps to slow down the water flow. Reason being that with two water pumps the water flowed so fast through the engine that it woulod not cool the engine. With the reduced flow the engine ran much cooler. Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 Well...........I'm not into Ford flathead V8's myself, never was. While I was around when some were new, we never owned a Ford either. Only relative that I know of back then that did own one was my uncle. Think that was about a 51 Ford, and I was too young to care about a Ford, Chevy or Mopar at the time. My biggest thing then was waiting for Saturday morning when Hop Along Cassidy, Gene Autry, Flash Gordon, Sky King, Cisco Kid and Roy Rogers came to the small screen between about 8 AM and Noon. So.......I can only go by what people said back then about them and what the guys in the local Ford V8 club say about them. Some of those guys are in their late 70's and 80's now. That's where I got the reason for having two water pumps on the flathead. Just like some of our Mopar people, some of them are real sticklers about the history of the old Ford V8 flathead. By the way. One interesting thing I learned by hanging out with the Ford guys is about the Ford V8 flathead HP. The horse power on those things are about the same as the Mopar 6 flathead. Plus, if you think the stock Mopar rearend makes our engines work hard, you should ride in a 30's Ford V8 flathead. Sounds like the engine is going to explode at about 40 or 45 MPH. It's even pretty loud at 30 and 35 MPH. Quote
De Soto Frank Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 According to MoToR's 1935-'42, the Ford V-8 displaced 221 cid, and was rated at 90 BHP @ 3800 RPM. The Ford six displaced 226 cid, and was rated at 90 BHP @ 3300 RPM. The Ford "Commercial Four", which was found in some trucks and the N-model tractors was more or less one-half of a Ford V-8; 119 CID, producing 40 HP. My '41 De Soto rates 228 cid, and 105 HP @ 3600 RPM... The '42 Plymouth P-14 engine rates 217 cid, and 95 HP @ 3400 RPM (same as a Mercury ! ). Those Ford guys don't have anything on us !!! Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 According to MoToR's 1935-'42, the Ford V-8 displaced 221 cid, and was rated at 90 BHP @ 3800 RPM.The Ford six displaced 226 cid, and was rated at 90 BHP @ 3300 RPM. The Ford "Commercial Four", which was found in some trucks and the N-model tractors was more or less one-half of a Ford V-8; 119 CID, producing 40 HP. My '41 De Soto rates 228 cid, and 105 HP @ 3600 RPM... The '42 Plymouth P-14 engine rates 217 cid, and 95 HP @ 3400 RPM (same as a Mercury ! ). Those Ford guys don't have anything on us !!! That was my point. I had looked those numbers up at one time myself. And, we get that extra HP with two less cylinders. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 be careful guys..knock the Ford flathead V8 and in reality you start knocking Mopar for they were the last company to cast the flathead V8 in large numbers... Quote
De Soto Frank Posted October 27, 2008 Report Posted October 27, 2008 "be careful guys..knock the Ford flathead V8 and in reality you start knocking Mopar for they were the last company to cast the flathead V8 in large numbers... " Huh ? ( What am I missing ?) Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 27, 2008 Report Posted October 27, 2008 think Chrysler Europe....French connection... Quote
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