oops sorry don ,so what you guys are saying is if i have the neoprene gasket it can be done without removing the crank? I dont wanna unbolt the flywheel for no reason if i can replace the upper seal with the crank in place,sorry for the confusion, this simple clutch job has become one issue after another. I got the oil pan in the parts washer here at work and cant believe how much,muck and sludge is on the bottom of the pan in the sump area,its almost gray in color and im scraping it off in sheets,the motor runs great though and burns no oil,the original owner i got the car from always kept up with the oil changes so im surprised theres so much sludge