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I might offer that the point considering guide pins is not as Ed thinks. Apparently the hub cap clips have been broken off. Those holes I do not believe are guide holes, but remants of the hub cap mounting clips. I have often seen this, and surmise that these clips interfered with putting a ffancier hubcap on some time later, so they simply broke em off. I also offer that, according to a feller I corresponded with, Studebaker furnished a wheel that looked very much like these Plymouth wheels. The four wheels pictured sure do shout "GM" to me, but wheels are a can, brim full of worms overflowing, so I dare not say for sure. Perry in Idaho aint forgot he owes you guys a pictured of a buried car.

Whilst looking through a 36-42 Motors falt rate manual tonight, I was stunned to notice the 42 DeSoto front end exploded view. With the exception of Cord, I did not know any autos to have that feature till way, way, later. Was this continued after the war? Does anyone have one? Has anyone seen this on an actual car? And finally, was this because of the war, where we did not want to have our Desotos bombed in the dark because of shiny headlamps? Thank you! Oh, wish I had asked if there were other cars with this feature?

ENETO, Re: small town dump and the old man running it! I believe that was a required experience for all small town folks, at least in the 60s and some of the 70s, then came lady bird. In junior high and high school, we would go out and target practice at the even smaller small-town dumps (who couldn't afford an old man to watch over the doings). Could find enough copper wire to keep us in gas and 22 shells! ah such wonderful memories. Generally, people throw the best things when they go out of style, then want to buy them back later when they realize how cool the things were!!

Ed, I agree, ya gotta see this buried car. I will try hard to get some pics soon. The landfill in my OWN yard rather has me busy at the time. Back in the day, never could pass up a small town garbage dump, yard sale, or thrift store, nor of course any abandoned vintage iron! etc! Ever think about dragging just 2 items home each day 300 days a year for say 10 years? Makes ya scratch your head while wondering why ya can't find anything!

I did not realize I was getting answers cuz duh, been in the habit of arrowing down, and this one goes up sorry! I am near Idaho Falls, Idaho. And Pete, tis true are technically a desert climate, but believe me you, someplaces in Idaho sometimes get very large snowpack. I grew up near Palisade Lake, where most services were remote by 50 miles or so. Many was the time our family would come home from the big city after dark and my father would have to make several stabs through the drifts with his weighted chained two ton Chevy Flatbed, so we could get through in our 54 Chrysler New Yorker. We left there when I waS twelve, but I remember only one winter when the snow did not totally cover the fenceposts! An oldtimer there at that time called it "the ******* of creation" Now it is high dollar recreation hang out! But no, they get nowhere near the snow they used to get in the 60s and before. Most of Idaho is less than 10inches a year, which is defined as desert. Yet a vast amount of the intermountain watershed really does originate in Idaho! Back to the Plymouth, due to the cobble rock I was hopin you guys would encourage me go dig up a pristine automobile. Calendar art, maybe...yard art, no. You almost have to step on this car to know it is there! With later cars, it has not been uncommon to use the hardtop parts car as a donor for convertibles. Sincethis was pre-hardtop, would some of you familiar with d24 Dodge weigh in on whether a two door sedan might be used in this way! Thanks again, I really would like to see if I could get permission to dig this up. I am quite sure it is on private land. Will try to get a pic, ya'll will either laugh or cry!

FedoraAgent, The wheel pictured tonight is identical in size, clips, and construction to the ones I stated to attempt to peddle to you as of today. I finally got the pic posting thing down, and got a pic of the ornament posted, but I have no wheel pics archived anymore, so send and email if you can (I am persmitz in the other posts), and I can send pics of my wheels. Now, back on topic I would like to submit something you may or may not have considered. Runnin a flathead, ceteris paribus, I would not only use the 16, but use also the largest reasonable sixteen that I could! This will give you probably 8-10 percent greater roadspeed at a given RPM. I call it a poor mans overdrive, or over, overdrive. On modern roads, wouldn't that be a great and economical advantage? Yes, your speedometer will be off accordingly, that is, if it were on to begin with. Perry in Idaho prs519@hotmail.com for pics of wheels I offered.

Thanks for the warm welcome to your group of enthusiasts. Looks like another dandy site. I am Perry, from Idaho, and my business here is twofold. One, something not so commendable, rather selfish, is to find buyers for some of the few Mopar Parts I have, and have no need for. Am hoping some mutual benefit evolves from this. It is a rat, I think, who ratholes parts others may need! I have done this way toooo much and am buried in my own doings! Two: I hope ya'll find this a bit more entertaining. I will try to tell a little info about a 3/4 buried car. I believe this car is approximately 1948 Dodge, but here is the kicker: It is a CONVERTIBLE. Probably not such a big deal to some of you in sunny states, but few convertibles were bought in Idaho, once the closed car became marketable. I just know you guys will love the picture I hope to supply before the snowfalls --I will have to go and take it! Why? It is because this convert is standing nose up at about a 65 degree angle, with only about a quarter of the front of the car showing, all right of the hood centerline, back to windshield post, to where one can see the top bows! The Stanchion showing looks good. Now this baby is PLANTED tight in soil more rock than soil..cobble or bigger. Why? because it is at the bottom of a fairly steep hill, and sometime after the car wound up where it is, they needed an access road cut into the hillside, about 20-30 feet above it. At the time, I am sure they thought nothing of it as the overburden from the road cut was pushed down on it, till it achieved its current status! I could stride across the portion-showing, barely, without jumping, so that tells how little of it protrudes (I gotta get ya some pics, so you can believe this!). Car is, as you might expect, right near the very bottom of the hill. Now, I would like a prelimary (hopefully) verification on this cars identity, and I have little to offer you, nevertheless; I appreciate any input. 1. It shows part of the grille to be of the egg crate variety. 2. The stanchion I mention is smoothly part of the cowl metal, standing strong and proud, as if to say, "hey, I'm a strong little stanchion"! 3. It does not appear to have wrap around trim, which (sorry guys, but unfortunately, in my mind) elimates Chrysler (just a dressed up Dodge anyway, those chryslers, right?). 4. And also, if I remember correctly, the substantial bumper did wrap around just a couple three inches. 5. I have googled Dodge convertibles, and finding one like it to my recollection, has yet to happen! I think the 48 Dodge convertible is the one usually lacking, is why I think it may be that one! No production numbers exist according to someone, somewhere, at sometime,when I checked into it!? 6. I do believe there was some tidbit that definately made me know(?) it was in fact a Dodge, but I do not recall just what it was...been a few years ago. Finally, can anyone help ID? And have any of you ever tried, or known anyone, who restored a car buried so tightly? What did they find at the deep end? Could a two door sedan donate body panels to bring her back? Amazingly, what top bows I could see looked very good! HELP! MANY THANK YOUS!