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Still waiting for the guy to come back on that. Hopefully it'll be the same as mine. Prizes for anyone who guesses the correct length from the picture: Dudley

LOL, Andy! yeah, think sometimes I must get up peoples noses, I cant help it, I'm in my twenties and dont know alot so I gots to ask the questions no?! Oh and my Chrysler is fine, working up a plan, sourcing parts etc. Picked up a 1940 Plymouth bellhouse the other weekend off a great guy near Oxford. With that bellhouse I'll be able to fit the starter. Picked up a Carter BBR1 carb while I was there and a old gearbox too, not sure if its compatible but i'll cross that river when i get to it. I digress, so, found this engine I'm talking about in this thread and thinking the more spare parts I have the better in case of problems later on down the road. What most people tell me is, "oh yeah all these parts fit on the same engine from 1939 to 19 whatever" so if thats the case, being in the UK, i'll hoover up every spare part i can find!

excellent thanks. Any idea if it would be a 218, 230 etc? I asked a guy to give me the engine serial number and he gave me the "P10 on one side and 632929" so I'm guessing its P10632929. Cheers Dudley

Hello, Found an engine but would like to know more about it. Could someone please tell anything about this serial: P10 on one side and 632929-1 on the other side. Thanks in advance Dudley

Hello, Could someone please ID an engine for me please. The serial on the block is: P10 on one side and 632929-1 on the other side. Thanks in advance Dudley

I think I may have misheard the chap I bought it off. Merle, Tim i think you're both right on that... Either way its all going to marry up and there'll be another flathead on the UK roads soon.

Hello all, been up to my eyes in work of late but reserved this weekend to sort out car bits. Thanks to drillmastertommy for putting me on to ColinD, I took a trip up the M40 to visit him and solve a few problems that anyone who has read this thread may know about. I purchased a bellhouse, gearbox and carburettor. I'm told the gearbox was from a 1950 Plymouth Pickup (if anyone could confirm or advise this from the pics below it'd be great). Also as a no brainer for some people out there but a total mystery to me is what is this symbol? (below) Plan for me will now be to systematically strip the body off the chassis, research to pros n cons of acid bath dipping, strip the running gear off the chassis, replace with my new bellhouse and fit that starter i had shipped from Cali!!! I will then need to work out which gearbox would be best, the new 50's Plymouth one i've bought or the 1935 Dodge D2 one that i have already. Thoughts and opinions on tha appreciated greatly! Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Thanks Ed I'll email him shortly, see if he knows anything. Looking at his site I see he is friendly with one of my Dads friends, queue the cliche term, "Its a small world." If you get the time Ed could you please measure the distance between the frame mounts on your 46 Dodge Pickup? Cheers! You might be right about finding the right engine block. I just perceive its original engine being a rarity to locate. Theres no way i'm carving up the block though!

You're a gentleman Merle, thank you.

Well its definately closer and the possibility to use Pallet Line to transport heavy items is available if anyone there has the part... Who is this mystery Scotsman?

Hi Merle, I've measured the width and the bellhouse would have to be 600mm (23.6"). Would a truck one fit with this measurement? Theres a place in the UK my Dad used to use for 1943 Willys Jeep parts called Dallas Autos, he thinks they sell Dodge parts so if it is conceivable perhaps I could track one down in the UK. If not I'm taking out shares in USPS! For everyone else here's a picture of my current, ill fitting, bellhouse. Thanks Dudley

Hi, I usually post on the p15-d24 forum but have been advised to pick through the brains of the Pilot-House people. Hope someone out there can help me! I have recently bought a 1930 Chrysler CJ-6 which runs a 1953 P24 218 engine and what appears to be a 1935 Dodge D2 gearbox. The problems comes from when whover installed these components they kept the original 1930 Chrysler CJ-6 Bellhouse. The bellhouse has the frame mount system with integrated master cylinder mount. The original engine that would couple to this lacked a water jacket and so the mount for a starter motor was closer to its own engine block. This has resulted in me not being able to fit the P24 218 starter as it fouls on the block: Young Ed and Andydodge suggested that the some of the PilotHouse and mid to late 30's trucks had a similar bellhouse system which might also allow for a wider engine block. My next questions would be: 1. are there any spare bellhouses out there? 2. are they for sale? 3. are any that fit the above 2 requirements in the UK? 4. have I lost the plot? Thanks for any help! Dudley

Thanks Ed & Andy, great shout! I'd say you're definately on to something. I dont think I'd truly grasped the idea that alot of these components could be bolted to anything and everything from that time period (predictably with a bit "persuasion") So I'll go on the hunt for a bellhouse, post up on Pilot House, the HAMB, RodsnSods etc. Anything I find in the US is gonna cripple me on shipping... Ahhhhh, the joys of owning yank motors in Rule Britannia One thing I found yesterday, Im not sure but I'd say that with a P24 218 the flywheel looks to be about 15" in diameter (confirmed by hkestes) which I have but i wonder whether the original CJ engine had a smaller flywheel? Looking at the flywheel I have in the original bellhouse I'd say it appears to have only a gnats dick of room either side! Thanks for the help chaps!

A 1930 starter is not the issue. Due to the original 1930 Chrysler engine blocks lacking a water jacket they placed the starter mount further round. Therefore with a P24 block having a water jacket the gap to fit a starter is considerably reduced. As such, an original starter will likely be of no use either. The only possibility in this setup would be a slimmer V8 type starter with the P24 starter dog machined on. i will check out this colond shortly. In the meantime, this Billy, is he located in Farnborough in Kent or Hants? Thanks for the info Tommy, im glad your Atomic Robots has evidently gone well what with your mentioned sale of Lucas!

I'll take a "Lucas(Legs)" please Tom, love the Chrysler data badge on it! Anyway, back to the car... Getting into hot water at the moment with "Her Indoors" what with another baby on the way I should be buying bits for the new arrival not parts for the car. Yeah, yeah! So I'm letting the car take a backseat for one weekend while i build some lovely units for baby storage and buy a new pram to appease the gods... I mean the Mrs. However I did sneak out there and snap a couple pics of the Chrysler to better explain the whole starter scenario. Its increasingly becoming clear what was done before I bought it. From the picture below you'll see that the bellhouse is not simple. The original 1930 bellhouse includes the master cylinder as well as the mount to the chassis. This means that the location for mounting the starter has well and truly stitched me up. And from below What with inclusion of the mounts to the chassis thats going to make getting it a little more difficult than just replacing the bellhousing. With whats in place you can see, with a little more clarity, the proximity of the starter opening to the engine block below: So my sloution... buy a 1953 Plymouth bellhouse from somewhere () and fabricate some mounts on it to fit it to the chassis. Anyone got a spare one lying about? By the way, Thanks for the bellhouse plan you sent Kirk, greatly appreciated! Thoughts? Ideas? Inspiration please boys and girls!!!

Hi Andy, my name's Dudley Palmer. I'm very green to hot rodding, does it show? Aiming to learn as much as I can by doing as much as I can myself while utilising the School of Dad and some of his petrol head friends/engineers. I've played with engines since I can remember but body work/metal working is my new challenge to overcome. With regard to the roof, patching it over may be beyond my abilities to get 100% right but I know a couple guys who I could ask for help before I shell out to a bodywork shop. Plus thats all the fun right? Really want to splash out for some Edgy/Langdon/Edmunds components but I'll assess the finance once I get further into the project.

I look at it and i think the same as I think about a flat roof on a house, prone to leaks. Someone said to me at the very start when I first bought the car which has stuck in my mind: "text book definition of a hot rod is an old car with a non-stock engine" so I'm minded to customise some things on the car. I know that I dont like the idea of restoring to a concourse condition car, i think they look a bit fake, i like a little life to a car. Who knows, I'll get the engine running first and think on about as I go. Anyone have any designs or photos of a folding canvas roof? I bet they wont be water tight! Thanks for the info though chaps!

Thanks Andy, yes I believe you're onto something with the V8 starter notion. A few others have hinted at it. I've been a little disillusioned with the starter situation lately so I'll throw myself into some research. Can the bendix be switched to another starter body? What V8 starter would fit? Etc etc etc. With regard to the roof, when restoring these cars do people restore the roof as was or has anyone welded in a new one. I know there are pitfalls repatching a large section but even so, would I be shunned if I did it? Thanks!

When I bought the car there was no starter so that's where the confusion began. I'm 100% sure that the old timer I'd bought it from had something in there to start it but evidentally it was removed or destroyed before sale. I've written a letter to the guy to ask a few questions so shall await the outcome of that, worst case scenario is I'll be ignored. Might have to door step him in that case but not an ideal situation. For now I experimented with removing about 5/8" off the drive end bracket where it fouls the block in order to see how much i would have to shave off the length of the yoke. Even with this it stil fouls the block and I'm concerned whether the starter would actually spin if I trimmed an extra 1/8" off. Its also very close to the Through Bolt fixing, the Commutator End Bracket would be significantly changed and I would need to reposition one of the Brushes. Essentially It would end up that the block becomes a part of the starter in terms of being absorbed as part of the yolk. I'm not sure that I like this idea, in fact I know I dont... annoying! So speaking to a friend last night it was suggested that I rebuild the bellhouse. He asked me a rhetroical question, "What is the bellhouse for?" to which my reply was, "To keep the **** out". I looked at the pictures this morning and am curious as to whether to butcher the existing or rebuild it in its entirety out of aluminium plate. I've cobbled this together below and am hoping for anybodies point of view: So if I cut the drive end bracket bellhouse mounting and grind out a new position would it work? Thanks Tommy, its not the length its the girth (Hahahaha, sorry childish ) I would like to meet up at some point though, I'll stay in contact.

What an awful day! I require help, advice and counsel... would a hug be too much to ask? Starter motor woes! So some of you may be aware that I had purchased a 1953 Plymouth Starter that would be compatible with the flathead engine in my 1930 Chrysler. I waited weeks for it to arrive from California and had every intention of bringing the car back to life. Well it didn't go my way today. I took the starter, placed it in the bellhousing mounting and... it didn't marry up! It appears that the body of the starter is too wide to sit in and sit flush with the engine block... At first thought I had something wrong but I'm not sure that I do. The engine is definately a 1953 Plymouth 218 (block number p24) and the starter is definately the corresponding one for the engine. So I've scratched my head, spoken at length with my Dad about it and rung various friends to ask for points of view. Here's what I've cobbled together in my brain: There are two components at play, the engine and the bellhousing. I now think that the bellhousing is actually the original 1930 Chrysler CJ bellhouse. The reason I think this is that the original 1930 Chrysler engine was lacking a water jacket on the side of the starter motor therefore allowing tolerance to fit a starter closer to the block on the bell house mountings, see pic of 1930 Chrysler Block below: My block below and starter placement: I toyed with grinding the side off the starter to make it fit but I now realise that it would probably foul the electromagnetic properties of the starter. Here's where i need the advice, should I now chop out the bellhousing, and fabricate my own so that the starter will mount correctly? Any other ideas, most welcome. If I've overlooked something PLEASE PLEASE point it out to me!

I get an email at work today to say that something really heavy just got delivered... I literally bounced off the walls in my office and raced home to see my delivery. Yes, at long last... My starter motor fresh from Kingsbury, California! Clean up and strip down planned for the weekend and a video of "waking the beast" to follow on the weekend with all being well!

Id say that is almost definately the same. A Dodge D2 huh? Well this is yet another hurdle of information to absorb. Good job im only 28, i got some reading to do!

Great shout thanks Tom. When mine arrives and I find that its all rotten inside with no internal workings I'll turn the air blue then calmly remember your gracious offer, thank you! My only issue with the gearbox is that it appears to be such a bodge, the housing on the ball joint of the shifter is all torn up at the back then the bell housing it should marry up to has a gap where all the dirt and crap can slip into the trans box. It also looks like a modern clutch has been installed too, its all quite odd.

I've started a project thread now, see link:http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=32115 Thank you!