plymouth46coupe Posted February 26 Posted February 26 First, those who have installed a headliner on a P15. Is it easier to install the headliner with the windshield and rear window out? or can they be in? It sort of looks like the headliner is tucked under the window gaskets, making me question if the glass should be out to do it right. Second, does anyone know offhand what size tack strips are needed around the doors? Its pretty deteriorated so not sure if I can get a good measurement off of any of it without guessing some. Waiting on samples from WLS headliners to get things ordered. I've tried several times requesting the samples over the winter with no luck. Finally called them and found out the where bought by Newark. Newark said there was a glitch so the samples where never sent. I ordered them over the phone two weeks ago and here I am still waiting.... may be calling again. Want to move forward with my interior. May have more questions as I go...
desoto1939 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 I got my headliner from Restoration Supply out in Bangor PA. I have a 39 Desoto and it was a perfect fit. On the Mopar there are metal brackets that have teeth and these brackets are on the side along where the doors opening are located and the headliner tucks under these brackets. The window lace is also tacked along the perimeter of the door openings. Rich Hartung
Happy 46R Posted February 26 Posted February 26 I am headed to the shop to do some work on my car and I may have a couple of the brackets Rich mentioned in my cupboard. If I do I will measure and photo and send to you. Dave
plymouth46coupe Posted February 26 Author Posted February 26 Sorry for the confusion but I don't need the metal brackets with the teeth. I have those. I need the tack strip material that lines the doors that the windlace tacks into.
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Restoration Specialties....this is multi layered paper special made to hold the tacks. They are online, find them in Wimber PA 1
plymouth46coupe Posted February 26 Author Posted February 26 Yes I found several suppliers. I need the dimensions or a part number to order from. Or I'll have to try to get a piece out without it falling apart.
chrysleritis Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I think you should be okay leaving the windshield and rear window gaskets and glass in place. The headliner should tuck in behind the garnish molding which screws in around the windshield and rear window? I got good results with a DIY headliner install. Can't recall the size of the tack strip stuff I used, but it comes in several thicknesses and widths. Key is using the right length of tacks -- don't get too long! 1
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 27 Posted February 27 5 hours ago, plymouth46coupe said: Yes I found several suppliers. I need the dimensions or a part number to order from. Or I'll have to try to get a piece out without it falling apart. measure what you have from a small undamaged section, or if nothing in place....measure you receiving channel....nothing at all hard about this and somewhere you got to apply a bit of proactiveness
Roger Blagborne Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Get some help from someone who has done this before, it is not as easy as it seems...did my 49 Chrysler, what a struggle...oh...and keep your hands really clean.(white Sunday shirt clean) That headliner material is really good at picking up stains. (did mine in the machine shop...thats how I know). The Phillips garnish screws are special (eg 8/32 with 6/32 size heads) We got new stainless ones from a specialty supplier from Florida. (cant remember who) Old ones were chromed originally but rusty. Paint the bows and alligator channels well and be sure the paint is well cured. Cheers 1
JerseyHarold Posted March 3 Posted March 3 34 minutes ago, Roger Blagborne said: Get some help from someone who has done this before, it is not as easy as it seems...did my 49 Chrysler, what a struggle...oh...and keep your hands really clean.(white Sunday shirt clean) That headliner material is really good at picking up stains. (did mine in the machine shop...thats how I know). The Phillips garnish screws are special (eg 8/32 with 6/32 size heads) We got new stainless ones from a specialty supplier from Florida. (cant remember who) Old ones were chromed originally but rusty. Paint the bows and alligator channels well and be sure the paint is well cured. Cheers The fasteners are known as "Jackson Head" screws and should be available at Fastenal. 2
plymouth46coupe Posted March 3 Author Posted March 3 11 hours ago, Roger Blagborne said: Get some help from someone who has done this before, it is not as easy as it seems...did my 49 Chrysler, what a struggle...oh...and keep your hands really clean.(white Sunday shirt clean) That headliner material is really good at picking up stains. (did mine in the machine shop...thats how I know). The Phillips garnish screws are special (eg 8/32 with 6/32 size heads) We got new stainless ones from a specialty supplier from Florida. (cant remember who) Old ones were chromed originally but rusty. Paint the bows and alligator channels well and be sure the paint is well cured. Cheers Appreciate the suggestions 10 hours ago, JerseyHarold said: The fasteners are known as "Jackson Head" screws and should be available at Fastenal. Thanks!
plymouth46coupe Posted March 3 Author Posted March 3 Another question. Anyone know where to get the gasket for the rectangular door in the center of the fresh air ductwork? I'm not quite sure what it should look like. Nor am I able to find anything that looks like it could work. Thanks
Young Ed Posted March 4 Posted March 4 18 hours ago, plymouth46coupe said: Another question. Anyone know where to get the gasket for the rectangular door in the center of the fresh air ductwork? I'm not quite sure what it should look like. Nor am I able to find anything that looks like it could work. Thanks I bought mine from steele rubber if I remember correctly. That was probably 10y ago. That heater box is shared across the entire DPCD lineup so try looking under Chrysler 1
plymouth46coupe Posted March 4 Author Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Young Ed said: I bought mine from steele rubber if I remember correctly. That was probably 10y ago. That heater box is shared across the entire DPCD lineup so try looking under Chrysler Any chance you have a picture of what it should look like? I see some stuff from them that might work but not sure what it should look like either. There was nothing left to mine when I pulled the box.
plymouth46coupe Posted March 4 Author Posted March 4 thinking something like this might work? or should the seal come off the side?
Young Ed Posted March 5 Posted March 5 That's the thread on my heater resto. There is a pic of it installed but it doesn't show it well. It's a U channel that is molded to go around the entire lip of the door. 1
Young Ed Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Steele Rubber Products - 1941-1948 Mopar Fresh Air Gasket | Steele Rubber Products https://share.google/hC3JmlbE0lEi636YG 1
plymouth46coupe Posted March 5 Author Posted March 5 17 hours ago, Young Ed said: Steele Rubber Products - 1941-1948 Mopar Fresh Air Gasket | Steele Rubber Products https://share.google/hC3JmlbE0lEi636YG Thank you. I ordered it. Are you able to take a picture of the bottom of the air box? I know the top has two bolts to fasten it. The bottom I read has a bolt that pushes up into that round pocket on the bottom. But I'm not sure what that looks like. If I'm missing a bracket or where the bolt extends from. It was 25 years ago when I took this box out and certainly don't have that good of a memory...
Young Ed Posted March 5 Posted March 5 It comes off the back of the cowl vent lever. From my pics it looks like it has 2 bolt holes on the bottom. The bracket itself is an upside-down L with the support bolt for the air box on the short side. 1
plymouth46coupe Posted March 24 Author Posted March 24 New question. Just got new window gaskets and sweeper gaskets. How do I install the sweeper gaskets? The outer door sweeper was held in by clips. I was able to save them but idk if they are or should be reused... or should the new gasket be "glued" in place? Got them from A.B. and assumed there would be installation directions but didn't come with any and I don't see any online. The interior window garnishes had it stapled to it?... don't see how I can salvage those staples or re staple them. Leading me to think they should be glued on?
46BulldogDodge Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Check DCM and Roberts Motor Parts for the sweeper clips. They are a u-shaped clip with a snap button to go in those holes in the door and a serrated edge that pinches onto the sweeper.
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 25 Posted March 25 you sounds as if you are describing the Ford clip.....they are a tad larger SNAP in than the original V clips....you will also not get the v-Clip into the fuzzy and they do not come marketed with them installed. The Ford clip is ideal...think also International used this style. It is all I use with rebuild of Mopar glass wipers/anti rattle,fuzzy or whatever you wish to call them....you will have to drill the garnish and door holes to allow the clips to snap in....
plymouth46coupe Posted March 25 Author Posted March 25 Thanks. I think I found what you are talking about. How much bigger does the hole need to be? The product description doesn't say. Thinking the ones that go on the body I will use those. The ones in the window trims I might try to just wire in place where the staples were.
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 25 Posted March 25 17 minutes ago, plymouth46coupe said: Thanks. I think I found what you are talking about. How much bigger does the hole need to be? The product description doesn't say. Thinking the ones that go on the body I will use those. The ones in the window trims I might try to just wire in place where the staples were. do yourself a favor, don't cut corners
andyd Posted March 25 Posted March 25 I've used 1/8th pop rivets to hold the sweeper or what I know as bailey channel to both the inside garnish molding and door edges, couldn't find pop rivets witha black head so just hit the rivet with a dab of black paint..........the sweepers have worked well for years......andyd
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