billrigsby Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Going through parts to determine which carburetor I should be using with the B1D rebuild, according to the parts book the 1317-261 is used on my series/model, and I think that is what this is, Not sure who makes it, there is no markings whatsoever (except Made In USA). I am also not sure what engine this may have com off, since there have been about four. Probably the stock engine. I also have this Carter Carburetor, which look like it is the 1317-256,58,59 and this Stromberg which came off the Dodge Car engine These are the associated pumps and a stand-alone filter which is listed for use on my series/model, but only shown on the dual carb setup. The pumps, again only show Made In USA, no manufacturer? Does anyone know the manufacturer and model of the 1317-261 carburetor shown above, would like to start to rebuild it, same question for the associated pump? The first two appear to be identical the third seems to be a bit different. Any reason to use one of the other carburetors shown as opposed to the one the book calls for? Has anyone seen the use of this filter on a single carb setup? The lower butterfly valve on the Stromberg is rusted solid, any suggestions on loosening it with doing damage to the shaft, butterfly or body? I also see serious differences in the linkage setup, not really sure what to do? ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent B3B Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 If I had all three of the carbs you have, I would use the carter on my truck and use the pump that works ? the filter looks different to me but I bet it would work just fine..... If I ever see your truck in person I won’t point and laugh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Carburetors should have model #s, the Carter appears to start with DG, the Stromberg might be a BXVD-1...these model #s are needed for rebuild kits...I am partial to the Stromberg as its inlet points away from the exhaust manifold, but the Carter can work well with some heat shielding...I am not too crazy about either of those fuel pumps, ya might be better off going electric at the tank with the VPW block off plate on the block...soaking the carb in a bucket of diesel might help, Marvel Mystery Oil works well too...FWIW I have a box of parts in the garage for one of my projects that includes a 2bbl to 1bbl adapter from Speedway and 2bbl carbs suggested by Langdon's Stovebolt...when it comes to flathead induction, ya have a few non-stock options but the linkage will be that little detail that will require some stewin' on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted September 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, JBNeal said: Carburetors should have model #s, the Carter appears to start with DG, the Stromberg might be a BXVD-1...these model #s are needed for rebuild kits...I am partial to the Stromberg as its inlet points away from the exhaust manifold, but the Carter can work well with some heat shielding...I am not too crazy about either of those fuel pumps, ya might be better off going electric at the tank with the VPW block off plate on the block...soaking the carb in a bucket of diesel might help, Marvel Mystery Oil works well too...FWIW I have a box of parts in the garage for one of my projects that includes a 2bbl to 1bbl adapter from Speedway and 2bbl carbs suggested by Langdon's Stovebolt...when it comes to flathead induction, ya have a few non-stock options but the linkage will be that little detail that will require some stewin' on Well the unknown 'should' have a number here I would think..... The Carter is a DTE2, kits are available..... The Stromberg, which I will get soaking! Only has these numbers, not sure just what it is..... I was wondering about those old mechanical pumps, I do like the look but not (from what I have read), the reliability. Is it possible to have a frame mounted pump and 'push' fuel through a non-operative engine mounted pump? Remove the rocker arm and WA-LA? The best of both worlds, reliable electric pump and the looks of the glass bowl!! BTW, I did confirm, the 'unknown' was on the original engine, so YES, the linkage issue using a different one, not unsurmountable just a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 12 hours ago, billrigsby said: Well the unknown 'should' have a number here I would think..... The Carter is a DTE2, kits are available..... The Stromberg, which I will get soaking! Only has these numbers, not sure just what it is..... I was wondering about those old mechanical pumps, I do like the look but not (from what I have read), the reliability. Is it possible to have a frame mounted pump and 'push' fuel through a non-operative engine mounted pump? Remove the rocker arm and WA-LA? The best of both worlds, reliable electric pump and the looks of the glass bowl!! BTW, I did confirm, the 'unknown' was on the original engine, so YES, the linkage issue using a different one, not unsurmountable just a pain. just like everything everyone has an opinion on the old mechanical pumps. Mine is they work fine, just know they can fail like anything else. I had a diaphragm puke on me for no real reason year 2, but good the last 8... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 8:04 AM, ggdad1951 said: just like everything everyone has an opinion on the old mechanical pumps. Mine is they work fine, just know they can fail like anything else. I had a diaphragm puke on me for no real reason year 2, but good the last 8... Ya the first one on my 46 lasted about 16 years but the second only 2. Hopefully the third behaves like the first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted October 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 5:26 PM, JBNeal said: the Stromberg might be a BXVD-1.....soaking the carb in a bucket of diesel might help, Marvel Mystery Oil works well too... Doing more looking, from the 'Dodge B-Series Trucks Restorer's & Collector's Reference Guide and History' it would seem the Stromberg is the way to go, if it is the correct model. Gong to get it soaking and see if I can get it moving. Also need to determine exact model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRodTractor Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 8:32 PM, billrigsby said: I was wondering about those old mechanical pumps, I do like the look but not (from what I have read), the reliability. Is it possible to have a frame mounted pump and 'push' fuel through a non-operative engine mounted pump? Remove the rocker arm and WA-LA? The best of both worlds, reliable electric pump and the looks of the glass bowl!! I'm currently using a frame mounted electric pump feeding a perfectly operational mechanical pump on the P15. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted October 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) On 10/4/2020 at 8:51 AM, billrigsby said: Doing more looking, from the 'Dodge B-Series Trucks Restorer's & Collector's Reference Guide and History' it would seem the Stromberg is the way to go, if it is the correct model. Going to get it soaking and see if I can get it moving. Also need to determine exact model. Got the Stromberg, freed up and cleaned up a bit, it is the correct BXV-3 Model, also grabbed another from EBay, between the two should be able to have a good working carb. Rebuild Kits? Best brand / source? I see NOS ones on EBay in the $50 range but wondering if advancements in gaskets and such would make a newer set more worthwhile. What about rebuild instructions, any out there/ come in the kits? Could not find much on the web for this one, it has been kind of been a fuel injection world for me as long as I can remember. ? Edited October 11, 2020 by billrigsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 if you need a rebuild kit, I believe that there are several sources to choose from on the Links Directory... I sourced several NOS rebuild kits cheaply off of eBay years ago, with the only special treatment I made was to soak any leather parts in Marvel Mystery Oil for a couple of days...didn't have any problems with that, but I reckon I just got lucky as those kits were decades old but still sealed in their near mint packaging. Instructions were included with those kits, though I've briefly looked at some YouTube videos well after the fact that seemed helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 9/27/2020 at 8:32 PM, billrigsby said: Well the unknown 'should' have a number here I would think..... The Carter is a DTE2, kits are available..... The Stromberg, which I will get soaking! Only has these numbers, not sure just what it is..... I was wondering about those old mechanical pumps, I do like the look but not (from what I have read), the reliability. Is it possible to have a frame mounted pump and 'push' fuel through a non-operative engine mounted pump? Remove the rocker arm and WA-LA? The best of both worlds, reliable electric pump and the looks of the glass bowl!! BTW, I did confirm, the 'unknown' was on the original engine, so YES, the linkage issue using a different one, not unsurmountable just a pain. Reckon I have a Stromberg also? I'm learning, thought BB was Carter. But it has Stromberg on the float casing. and 1BXVD at bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 Carter Ball & Ball carburetors are sometimes referred to as Carter BB, but it should clearly say Carter somewhere in the casting, with the model stamped into the web of the air horn...the carb pictured is definitely a Stromberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted October 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 Wonder if anyone has a number for the filter element to fit this Carter Fuel Filter, no noticeable part number, Pat. Number. Bowl is about 2" deep by 1.5" across the top. I know I have seen one (or similar) mounted on an engine in a photo posted here. I think in a engine paint color discussion, but cannot find now. Might have been on FEF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 It's upside down but that's a napa gold 3943. Old pic so hopefully that # is still available or can be crossed to something that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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