Sniper Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 If you hit someone hard enough to separate the body from the frame you're dead anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eneto-55 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sniper said: If you hit someone hard enough to separate the body from the frame you're dead anyway. ... or the floor of your vehicle is seriously rusted. There have been some repairs shown on here of vehicles that were being driven before repairs started - where the floor was basically a hodge-podge of duct work tin, license plates, and who knows what else, body to frame mounts either riddled with rust holes or completely gone. Our young member Nick's car is an example, at least to some extent. How much of a crash would have been necessary for the body to detach from the frame on that one? Considering current practice in automotive design of crush zones, who knows, the body coming off might IN SOME SPECIFIC CASES even save a person. Not arguing - just thinking out loud..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 Well, thinking along those lines if your floor is that rusted out bolting a seat belt to it is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. The seat belt has to have something solid to bolt to in order to function as intended. Back when I used to climb wind turbines one of the things they trained us on was wearing fall protection and we were told that you need to hook your lanyards to something that can handle a 5000lbs load. I guess they came up with that number based on max weight allowed for the climber times the distance you'd fall before the lanyard caught you. How much force will you be putting on your seal belt in a collision? I dunno but I do know if it comes loose it is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eneto-55 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Sniper said: Well, thinking along those lines if your floor is that rusted out bolting a seat belt to it is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. The seat belt has to have something solid to bolt to in order to function as intended. Back when I used to climb wind turbines one of the things they trained us on was wearing fall protection and we were told that you need to hook your lanyards to something that can handle a 5000lbs load. I guess they came up with that number based on max weight allowed for the climber times the distance you'd fall before the lanyard caught you. How much force will you be putting on your seal belt in a collision? I dunno but I do know if it comes loose it is useless. True. My own 46 spent its whole life in Oklahoma (and has been inside since 1980), so it is very solid. I would never have thought of attempting to rebuild some of these cars I've seen write-ups about in old car magazines. (Usually it's a person who has a strong connection with that exact car, that even if he could find another exactly like it, that isn't good enough. Also usually someone with pretty deep pockets.) But I imagine the actual weight load put on a seat belt in a collision would surprise most of us, kinda' like your fall protection harnesses. Seat belt design hasn't really changed much since they started putting them is cars, except for 3 point racing belts. Passenger jet belts are pretty pathetic, too, compared to the belts in the 50+ year old Cessna 206 we traveled in to & from the village (in Brazil). (Double shoulder belts connected to the ceiling, and the pilot always made sure everyone had their belts properly adjusted, too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48ply1stcar Posted September 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Frank Elder said: Please don’t, if you hit somebody bad enough to separate the body from the frame and it happens, your body and the seatbelt will be the only thing holding the car body to the frame and I’m guessing you’ll be sliced in half you should never bought the seatbelts to the frame ever. Gee Dad, Wear a seatbelt, Don't bolt the seatbelt to the frame. Frank the Elder just keeping me safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Douglas Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Back when seat belts first came out there were instructions in the retrofit kids that specifically said to NOT install any belt to the frame in any way, but only to the body. James 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1946 D24c -Oregon Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) You guys sound like the ones I need to talk to…. I’m doing research to put seatbelts into my 1946 D24 2-door. I bought it about two weeks ago. Its in great shape generally. Runs just fine, but just need some paint, interior finish work, and some basic safety features. I keep being told that I can’t put three point seatbelts in because there is no central pillar (2 doors) and if I want them, to go out and find a truck split bench seat from an extended cab truck with the seatbelts built into the seat or perhaps some type of seats with built in seatbelts from a convertible coupe. I have perfectly good original seats. I just want the seats I have to lock into place in the event of a sudden stop (they are floppy) and have me secured so I don’t smash my face on the steering column. Thoughts? This is going to be my daily driver. Thanks, Amanda Edited July 10, 2021 by 1946 D24c -Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 your B post is more solid than that of a 4 door................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1946 D24c -Oregon Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Has anyone ever modified one of these seats in a 2-door D24 for a shoulder belt? How do you get around the backseat access problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, 1946 D24c -Oregon said: Has anyone ever modified one of these seats in a 2-door D24 for a shoulder belt? Nope, but I did a P23 awhile back. I used these, followed their instructions, generic instructions to an extent so some thought is needed. https://www.wescoperformance.com/3-point-seat-belt-chrome-retr.html I also used their mounting kit. You want to spread the anchor point loads as widely as possible. Solid floors are a must. Whomever told you 1 hour ago, 1946 D24c -Oregon said: I keep being told that I can’t put three point seatbelts in because there is no central pillar Is someone who's advice you can ignore. You have a "center pillar", officially it's referred to as a B pillar. That is where my seat belt upper mount is located. 12 minutes ago, 1946 D24c -Oregon said: How do you get around the backseat access problem? Not sure what you mean by seat back access problem. If you mean getting into the back seat, not an issue. The belt hangs down when not in use and doesn't impede rear seat access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1946 D24c -Oregon Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Thanks for the info. Is there anyway to install a locking mechanism to keep the seat from folding unless you want access to the rear seats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 I have not done that. I remember looking at the hinge setup and thinking it wouldn't be hard to do but danged if I remember why or any details, been over a year and a half so it's fuzzy to me anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1946 D24c -Oregon Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 If I had to substitute a front split bench seat for mine (in order to get around the floppy, unable to lock the seat upright issue and might as well go ahead and get built in seatbelts if I have to go there…) what would be a good substitute? I could go on an Easter egg hunt through the wrecking yards, but if anyone already knows what works, I’d appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartgame Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Various GM late models have built in three points as do some convertibles that mopar produced. Models that come to mind are cadillacs, Yukons, envoys and I believe chrysler sebrings are some examples from early 2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 IF you are looking for a seat change....your bench options may well be limited as the trend today is more and more bucket seat flavors....if you wish a bucket...do not overlook the Dakota.....nice comfortable seats....third point on the seat....I have these in my bz cp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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