POPTOP Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 how do I tell if I have the right starter when I try to start it, it zings some times it start i dont believe its the ring gear if you would rock the truck and it started that would the ring gear i think? so i think the throw is too long any help would help thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 hopefully the tag is still on the starter...begin by posting that and the particulars of your truck, year, model, engine etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POPTOP Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 I guess the particulars would help its a 1949 dodge b1b flat head i will look for a tag in the am i know that they 2 size blocks with 218 the heads one longer than the other this one is the short one thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Does it still have the foot stomp starter, or has it been converted to a key start? The original foot stomp starters push the bendix out mechanically when you step down on the arm. The arm will then contact the electrical contact to make the motor spin. If that's the case I would suspect a ring gear issue. If it has been converted to a car type starter with key, or push button, start there could be a problem with the starter itself. Those typically throw the bendix out when they start spinning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POPTOP Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 thanks Merle, It is a foot stomp . I thought about the ring gear I was thinking if you stomp and the gear came out and there was a zing it was hitting the ring gear maybe worn out teeth but since the flywheel didn't turn and I stomped again than it turn over several times maybe it was the starter. I will check the ring gear thanks again Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Ring gears can get worn in certain areas as engines will come to rest in certain positions. On the engines at work we've seen it repeatedly in 3 locations, 120 degrees apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Oil Soup Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Another option to consider is the fact that the "button" on the starter that the stomp contacts can be screwed in or out to advance or retard the point at which the starter begins to rotate and you might want to stomp a bit more vigorously when you start the truck so the starter doesn't spin without being engaged to the ring gear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooljunkie Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 A few bolts and you can get the bottom inspection cover off to get a good look. Should be your first step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Another thing that comes into play is that not all starters are created equal. When I built my truck I had two starter professionally rebuilt because I wanted a spare. They were identical. The one I used to begin with worked ok but it didn't turn the engine over that quickly. I just assumed that was normal for 6 volt. Ran it that way for years. It always started....but sometimes not easily. Fast forward to last year. A pro mechanic buddy mentioned to me that he did not think my starter was turning the engine over quick enough. A few weeks later I dug my spare out and installed it. Holy crap!!! What a difference. Now it seems like I converted the system over to 12 volt. Turns out what I thought was normal really was not. Jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Jeff, carefully remove the back cover and inspect the oilite bushing for wear....they will go egg shape and when they do the armature will start to drag...this eats current like you read about and slows the motor....this will take but a minute to check and a few more to exact a repair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I will check it over when I get time. Thing is it turned the engine over that way from the time It got back from the rebuilder. The starter that is in it now was rebuilt in the same shop and the same time. Night and day difference in how each turned over. That was the point I was trying to make. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 got you....still, I would look anyway..nothing to lose but a minute of your time a bit of soap to wash up later...hey, you may get lucky here....check internal connections also especially the brush that connects to the case which is your only path to ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radarsonwheels Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 This is dumb but my 230 flatty stock starter stopped working one day while out and about. I sprayed almost a whole small can of wd40 through it and it never hiccuped again for a bunch of years running 12v thru it. wd40 is mostly solvents with a little oil to leave behind so I suspect I hosed out some trash. That said mine would also spin but not crank occasionally. I would just wait for it to stop spinning then (not with murderous intent but firmly) stomp it again. It was rare that it would not catch the ring gear twice in a row. Not perfect but disn’t seem worth fixing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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