Angel4951 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Ok is t is the right starter for. 49 or 51 truck? Edited October 24, 2016 by Angel4951 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Evans Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 One of these ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Switch-Foot-operated-replaces-JD-1932850-AR11115-Delco-early-6-12-volt-/271581871400?hash=item3f3b8a7d28:g:ErgAAOSw7NNT9EuT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodFitch Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 49 minutes ago, Reg Evans said: One of these ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Switch-Foot-operated-replaces-JD-1932850-AR11115-Delco-early-6-12-volt-/271581871400?hash=item3f3b8a7d28:g:ErgAAOSw7NNT9EuT That is cheaper than NAPA and NAPA may be out of stock: https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/ECHST11/ECHST11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Roberts Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 1949 , 1950 Auto-Lite starter motors start with letter M , such as : MCH-6103 , MCH 6106 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Control Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 here ya go, pretty sure this is a mch 6103 I looked at the starter yesterday to reply to you, then the thread got closed. Today I took the starter over to the truck and dont have it here to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 So from what im hearing the mch 6103 is for 49 and the mch6103 is for 51. With some differences in leaver connection. The one I put purchased is a maw 4029 thats in this picture I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 12 hours ago, Los_Control said: here ya go, pretty sure this is a mch 6103 I looked at the starter yesterday to reply to you, then the thread got closed. Today I took the starter over to the truck and dont have it here to look at. I noticed it got closed too I was going to go into detial about the restoration there but I messed up asking for a starter. Is yours for sale or where you just playing around in the garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Control Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I just bought 2 complete trucks and 1/2 of another. 1949 and a 1952. Just in the process of getting the 49 as a driver, and the starter goes in it. The trucks are parked at my uncles, I have been taking parts home and cleaning, then back to uncles to work on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Holes dont match up on the napa st11. Do you think It can still work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 here's how it looks on the insides.am I missing anyything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Had it welded on . Do you think it'll work? Let me know. Or did I mess up bad by welding?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 well you better hope it never goes bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) Ok the first question is for what year and what truck for 49 and also for what truck model for 51. There are several starter switches that are used according to the truck model and year and also according to which starter motor is installed in the truck. So I need to know the year and model of the truck and also the starter motor that is installed. I canthen look up in my autolite catalog and tell you the correct components. The switch could have been the SW 2813 or sw-2827 so if you had to weld on the Stater switch then you have the incorrect switch. In my autolite book it did not show a picture of the switch sw-2827. I did look in my Echlin catalog and it shows a picture of the SW-2827. This is almost the same as the SW 2813 but on the SW 2827 there is no hole at the left front ot hook and screw in a wire to send a current to the sisson choke the Echlin number would be an ST-29 to fit Dodge trucks 50-56 and fargo from 1950-56 The SW 2827 is in the upper section in the lower left corner and is marked as ST29 and made by Echlin. the autolite would look the same Rich hartung Desoto1939@aol.com Starter Switches.pdf Edited October 26, 2016 by desoto1939 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Starter Switches.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 The other question is whether or not the switch actually functions in it's current position. It may have been a better option to weld tabs onto the switch and drilled holes in them in appropriate place than weld to the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Angel On the starter unit that you have the photo of there isa a copper plate that attaches to the outside of the starter motor body. at the very front of the unit there is a tab that is threaded. The Autolite sw 2813 is the unit that has the hole in the side of the starter switch. A screw is inserted in a a wire clip and then screwed into this hole and then the other end of the wire attaches to the sisson choke. This is the same switch that is on my 1939 Desoto. So if you are using this starter motor that is why the switch is not matching up and there should also be two studs that come out of the motor body to bolt the switch to the starter body rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 19 hours ago, Angel4951 said: Had it welded on . Do you think it'll work? Let me know. Or did I mess up bad by welding?? And then there is always the possibility that the foot actuator in the cab may not line up with the lever for this switch. This can happen even when you have all the correct components. Hopefully you don't run into this issue as it can be a fair amount of work to correct this. Getting this sort of stuff straightened out on an old Pilothouse truck is not for the feint of heart. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Napa had no other options for switches and im sure the other parts stores dont go back that far. I believe it didnt line up because the starter I have in the pics is a maw 4029 prestolite 42-47 pick up truck. I need a mch6103 or mch6106. And no the hadle of the starter does not line up with the foot petal starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 You are not always going to be able to get what you need from Napa etc. There are specialty suppliers listed on this site that usually have this kind of stuff in stock, Also a good starter repair shop will have them. I had two rebuilt last year and the shop fitted new switches to both of these. I am sure you know this but that foot actuator in the cab needs to function properly with this starter arrangement. I know it looks very simple but getting it lined up correctly is critical to safe operation. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I've got parts books where I work that go back into the 30's on some models. That doesn't mean that even with a part number, it's going to be available or is still being manufactured but it's a whole lot easier to make a system work if the correct parts are being used. There are some modifications that can be made to a starter to get it to function if you don't mind it not being 100 percent correct for your particular vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis46PU Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, Dave72dt said: I've got parts books where I work that go back into the 30's on some models. That doesn't mean that even with a part number, it's going to be available or is still being manufactured but it's a whole lot easier to make a system work if the correct parts are being used. There are some modifications that can be made to a starter to get it to function if you don't mind it not being 100 percent correct for your particular vehicle. And sometimes a NOS part can be found on ebay. That's where I got my switch the middle of July this year. Fits and works perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Control Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I figure you are kinda locked in on this starter. I wonder if you cant remove the starter solenoid that is welded on, come up with a push button temp wire situation. Install the sexy foot starter when you get a good rebuildable core? But since you cant return the starter you have, would try to use it to get you by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 9 hours ago, Los_Control said: I figure you are kinda locked in on this starter. I wonder if you cant remove the starter solenoid that is welded on, come up with a push button temp wire situation. Install the sexy foot starter when you get a good rebuildable core? But since you cant return the starter you have, would try to use it to get you by. Sorry but I think you are losing control That switch is not a solenoid. Due to the configuration of these truck starters the foot actuator needs to function properly. It is either that or you find a late 50's starter that actually has a solenoid and run it off the ignition switch. A large starter repair shop should be able to correct this alteration with no harm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, Angel4951 said: Napa had no other options for switches and im sure the other parts stores dont go back that far. I believe it didnt line up because the starter I have in the pics is a maw 4029 prestolite 42-47 pick up truck. I need a mch6103 or mch6106. And no the hadle of the starter does not line up with the foot petal starter. Angel: according t my autolite catalog the Autolite stater motor MCH-6103 uses the SW-2813 swith that has the hole in the side and the mch-6106 uses the switch sw-2827 that does not have the hole in the side. Have you looked at the attachment that I posted with the pictures of the various starter switches. On the unit that you shoed it has the tab to attach the wire into the side of the starter switch. Please feel free to contact me Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.comm home 610-630-9188 live near Philadelphia pa Edited October 28, 2016 by desoto1939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel4951 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ok I just picked up an other starter the tag says maw 4016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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