CSARebel Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 How to remove the Dodge 230 Flathead 6 Fluid drive dust/dirt cover, I removed 8 bolts that I found two 7/16 and six 1/2 inch bolts but it will not come off, do I need to pull the engine , I want to inspect the flywheel, have a tool used for turning it, engine sat for awhile and need to spin the crankshaft. The engine and trans are still in the car. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 I believe with the coupling still attached...driving the locating dowels toward the engine block will allow it to slip up and off....but if in the car..this may not do you much good... Quote
Don Coatney Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 The shop manual is not real clear on this as pictured below. Removing the lower dust cover does not involve the dowel pins as they are used to align the bell housing. From the picture below it appears the lower dust cover is bolted on. Have you removed the transmission? Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) deleted Edited July 20, 2016 by Dodgeb4ya 1 Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) I have to admit I misread and assumed the bellhousing..big big error on my part..I would not think there would be any troubles dropping the inspection cover Edited July 18, 2016 by Plymouthy Adams Quote
mopar_earl Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 No flywheel to inspect on a fluid coupling. It bolts directly to crank. No flywheel nor flex plate. Starter ring gear is on the fluid coupling. Earl Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 No flywheel to inspect on a fluid coupling. It bolts directly to crank. No flywheel nor flex plate. Starter ring gear is on the fluid coupling. Earl may be squeezing juice here but as the fluid coupling as an assembly incorporates the driving plate that is the very surface that the clutch disc will mate with and is actually for all purposes the flywheel in this sense.. Quote
mopar_earl Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 Kinda but still not a flywheel. Flywheel keeps momentum for the engine, fluid coupling takes that place. The plate is just that, a plate. Is no flywheel. Not sure what he wants to inspect, but I can assure you, there is no flywheel. Earl Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 18, 2016 Report Posted July 18, 2016 that is why I said it may be squeezing juice....the operation if to compress the disc between it and the pressure plate...and granted the momentum is dependent on the fluid transfer..and as with the flywheel, scoring or hot spots will need be addressed same as the flywheel itself would have to be...unique hybrid set up that has stood the test of time for certain... Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 The shop manual is not real clear on this as pictured below. Removing the lower dust cover does not involve the dowel pins as they are used to align the bell housing. From the picture below it appears the lower dust cover is bolted on. Have you removed the transmission? thanks for the engine transmission photo, There are 4 bolt at the rear of the housing, that need too come off then cover should come off? Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 Kinda but still not a flywheel. Flywheel keeps momentum for the engine, fluid coupling takes that place. The plate is just that, a plate. Is no flywheel. Not sure what he wants to inspect, but I can assure you, there is no flywheel. Earl No flywheel to inspect on a fluid coupling. It bolts directly to crank. No flywheel nor flex plate. Starter ring gear is on the fluid coupling. Earl I agree it is on the fluid coupling. but want to inspect it as a few teeth are missing Quote
DJ194950 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 If the drivers of the day with this FD setup had a clue how to properly use the clutch "very little" -hot spots in the "chunk of heavy cast? iron" that the pressure plate bolted to would ever develop hot spots in it that would need to machined to repair. But newbies maybe? We had a lot of this FD setup used with mopar flat motor 6's with a four speed ( no reverse gear in this box) and an attached forward/reverse box used in rough terrain forklifts (6,000-12,00 lb. cap.) . Many/many times when on a job site I had to show the forklift operator how to NOT use the clutch except when changing gears. Put in 1st. or 2nd. and leave there depending on terrain and load. Use only to change forward or reverse. Made their job easier and smoother. Saved many a clutch, which made my shop work easier! DJ Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Deleted Edited July 20, 2016 by Dodgeb4ya Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 If your Dodge car has:....... The two cast iron or steel re-enforcement brackets ..lower dust cover to engine you need to remove them " " The two studs that screw into the lower dust cover housing and go into the two lower mount holes of the Trans..... remove them Shown is the bell housing and lower cover plus the brackets that came of a 1952 Dodge Fluid drive 230 with the M-6 transmission Bolts that need to be removed are noted... You might have the stamped steel lower cover... slightly different used with the 3 speed trans not the M-6 as shown.. my bell housing cover is made of stamped sheet metal not cast iron. Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) You are in deep trouble if the FD ring gear teeth are damaged. why would I be in trouble? Parts easy to get here local junk yard Edited July 19, 2016 by CSARebel Quote
DonaldSmith Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 There is a procedure in the manual for replacing the ring gear, rather than replacing the entire fluid coupling. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) deleted Edited July 20, 2016 by Dodgeb4ya Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 I am still working on unfreezing the engine after sitting sense 1967, I soaked the engine with Marvels & 3 & one oil, Valves are free, Pistons 2,3,4,5 oil passes pistons and ring inside cylinder wall, But #1, 6 penetrating oil still not going down around iron rings, I want to take off the dust/dirt cover under fluid drive, want to inspect it for anymore damage to flywheel, I only seen 2 teeth missing, maybe from same person who took parts off car years ago. I guess a pry bar, too see if crank would turn. it's froze, so (starter,Radiator,fan pulley, water pump,fan was missing along with Sisson Automatic choke). I now have all parts I found at local junk yard here. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 possible drive train from a yellow car in Maine may have just become available.... 1 Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 possible drive train from a yellow car in Maine may have just become available.... nice car, sad to see it in the state it was in after hitting the light pole. Quote
_shel_ny Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 Just the 2 lower bolts that go through the xmission need to be removed. Front also may have a sheet metal dust cover attached with 2 small bolts if you have not already removed it.. Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 Just the 2 lower bolts that go through the xmission need to be removed. Front also may have a sheet metal dust cover attached with 2 small bolts if you have not already removed it.. thanks for the photo's, I did not pull the engine out, it is still attached, but want to get this cover off, so I can see inside, last owner of the car must have lived in the country, I mean a dirt road. Engine and trans are covered with years of dirt,sand,alot of the parts clutch peddle,brake peddle,linkage for shifter was froze until I soaked it in 3 & One Oil.Like I stated before, I want to try and save the old D24 Engine and not throw it away. My next step if I can't break engine loose is to pull it and do the complete rebuilt. either way it will be a fun project. Quote
CSARebel Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 Just the 2 lower bolts that go through the xmission need to be removed. Front also may have a sheet metal dust cover attached with 2 small bolts if you have not already removed it.. thanks you so much, the photo's help greatly, I got the inspection dirt/dust cover off De-greased it and cleared years of sand dirt from it. the inside is clean and teeth on flywheel are in great shape except for two missing teeth. I have a tool blue point GA-44 Flywheel turning tool Quote
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