Mike Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Does anyone have info on the 1948 starter. I think mine might be a little warn and either need replacement parts like brush, armature, and such. I'm kind of looking for a repair kit or replacement but I'm not finding anything from parts places on line. its a 1948 Plymouth Special Deluxe 2 door coupe if that makes a difference with original motor partly converted to 12v. I plan on rewirning the system to all 12 volt minus the reducers needed for the gauges. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Mike: Since your system has been converted to 12v I am assuming that they put a 12 volt generator in the car. Can you look on the generator to see if there is a plate on the main body of the generator. The plate should tell you the model number of the generator and also the generator manufacturer such as autolite. Also need to know if this is a postive ground or was the car convert to Negative ground. If you have this information then you should bebale to contact an Alternator/Generator repair shop and they should bebale to help get the parts and also beable to checkout th eunit to make sure it is in proper working order. For anyone to help to tell you the appropriate brushes and other parts they will need to know this information. Also there are bronze bushings and specific bushings fit specific generators. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 it was changed from 6 volt to a 12 volt alternator. I think I just found a site though Kanter.com. looks like they have starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linus6948 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Some rebuild parts are available off ebay.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-39-40-41-1946-47-48-MOPAR-PLYMOUTH-DODGE-STARTER-BRUSHES-AUTOLITE-MZ-2012AS-/281253868122?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417c09725a&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Motor-Products-Starter-Brush-Set-EX-16B-M18-/251266204224?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1948|Make%3APlymouth&hash=item3a80a20240&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/starter-bushing-plymouth-dodge-46-47-48-49-50-51-52-53-54-/370568691306?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item56479d7e6a&vxp=mtr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel_ny Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Don't know from your post what problems you may be having that make you feel that you need replacement parts, but as you plan on going 12V your best bet would be to take it to a local auto-electric shop for a rebuild with a rewind for 12V application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Don't know from your post what problems you may be having that make you feel that you need replacement parts, but as you plan on going 12V your best bet would be to take it to a local auto-electric shop for a rebuild with a rewind for 12V application. Well I just bought a new 12v battery 600 CCA and I went to try to start it and it cranks slowly (almost like a dead battery) and then there is a little smoke near the starter solenoid and wires are warm to hot to the touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I am using a 12 volt 1956 starter in my 38 Coupe several years now. The 12 volt tags are green, 6 volt tags are red, easy, quick way to tell volts.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Thanks robert ill squeeze under it soon and take a look at it.I just got the cars from my grandfather it been restored once already so I have no clue what all it has on it as for electrical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyHarold Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Do you have a 6-volt starter relay or a 12-volt? They look the same (sometimes the voltage is stamped on the bracket). You may have smoked the solenoid in the relay if it's the wrong voltage. Edited July 15, 2014 by JerseyHarold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 The biggest problem with starters is the rear bushing wears oval. This allows the armature windings come into contact with and drag on the field coils. The drag demands more power to overcome the fiction, causing heat and extra resistance. A simple bushing replacement may be all that is needed for your starter to work efficiently. Additionally since 6 volt systems require 2x times the current flow of 12 V, the 6V starter will work without problems on 12 V. the starter itself is ground neutral and will not spin backwaards if connected to negative ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) it would appear that you are pulling way too much current...only by putting an amp meter on it capable of almost 600 amps can you tell..(usually these are shunted meters for diagnostics) a dragging armature will put a load on the battery and will practically drain one in about 15-20 seconds..I do not know what the actual current will be if running a good 6 volt starter on 12 volts...you may have to do the test with a good 6 volt battery and shunted meter first...it it busts out of the high range per the book...you need to address this issue..12 volts will not give you the information you need to make a valued diagnosis, only a WAG Edited July 16, 2014 by Plymouthy Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbound Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Converted to 12V negative ground a few years ago & still using the original 6V starter without any problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Thanks everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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