Barry Maxwell Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I am in the process of installing components on my overhauled engine ('51 B3C) after installing it on the rolling chassis. In order to install the starter I had to remove the left bolt of the bracket that is bolted to the bell housing (the one that connects the gas pedal and carb. linkages) and rotate the bracket out of the way in order to get a wrench on the left bolt of the starter. Then, it is easy to install or remove the starter. My question is how in the world do you remove or install the starter after the cab is on and you can not get to that bracket? Obviously, I must be missing something. Where am I wrong or confused? Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shepard Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Don't know why you had to do that. I've had mine off and on many times and didn't have to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I am in the process of installing components on my overhauled engine ('IMG_2069.JPG51 B3C) after installing it on the rolling chassis. In order to install the starter I had to remove the left bolt of the bracket that is bolted to the bell housing (the one that connects the gas pedal and carb. linkages) and rotate the bracket out of the way in order to get a wrench on the left bolt of the starter. Then, it is easy to install or remove the starter. My question is how in the world do you remove or install the starter after the cab is on and you can not get to that bracket? Obviously, I must be missing something. Where am I wrong or confused? Barry When I did mine it was with a long extension that put the ratchet handle out in front of the starter. I believe I also had to use either wobble extension or swivel sockets. Believe me its not fun and do yourself a favor right now and make sure your oil filter lines are tidy and out of the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Like Young Ed I used a long extension to do my starter. I see your oil line is plumbed hard from the block towards the oil gauge. You need a piece of flex hose installed on that line. Otherwise vibration will cause problems and leakage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodFitch Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Like Young Ed I used a long extension to do my starter. I see your oil line is plumbed hard from the block towards the oil gauge. You need a piece of flex hose installed on that line. Otherwise vibration will cause problems and leakage. Is that can there to catch any loose electrons that come loose when your remove the starter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Maxwell Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Don: First of all, your suggestion of a flex line is a good one! I will look into that. Second of all, my starter is 7-3/4" long and the diameter extends beyond the mounting bolt holes. If I have done it correctly, the photo below shows that. Thus, the only way to get on the bolt is with a 5/8" open end wrench, and the bracket I mentioned in my post has to be rotated to get the wrench in. My starter is marked Chrysler Corp. and Auto Lite. Perhaps it is not the original starter. If so, that may be the source of my problem. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Perhaps a 1/2 moon wrench would do it? I know on my truck that upper bolt is a bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Is that can there to catch any loose electrons that come loose when your remove the starter? Chamber pot. Cant say I don't have one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Don, the trucks didn't use a flex hose in the oil pressure line like the cars have. At least I haven't seen one on any I've looked at. Mine is hard line all the way to the gauge, with a junction near the firewall. Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P15-D24 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I see your oil line is plumbed hard from the block towards the oil gauge. You need a piece of flex hose installed on that line. Otherwise vibration will cause problems and leakage. Weird as it sounds the truck use a hardline plumbed all the way to the dash pass thru. I did another thread on the a while back to see what other owners have installed. No fled line. I think their is even a factory pic in the Bunn book that shows just a hard line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Weird as it sounds the truck use a hardline plumbed all the way to the dash pass thru. I did another thread on the a while back to see what other owners have installed. No fled line. I think their is even a factory pic in the Bunn book that shows just a hard line. My truck doesn't have a flex line but I did make a loop for it. Same as the brake line from the bellhousing mounted master cylinder to the frame T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desotodav Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Weird as it sounds the truck use a hardline plumbed all the way to the dash pass thru. I did another thread on the a while back to see what other owners have installed. No fled line. I think their is even a factory pic in the Bunn book that shows just a hard line. Each truck that I've seen here in Oz has had a flex line fitted to the oil line. It actually makes good sense to have one attached. I couldn't find any reference for the 48-53 trucks, but the part # for for 40-47 trucks is 655498. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonfroehlich Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Where can I a starter like that and will it fit my 48 dodge truck i want to do away with floor start? Like Young Ed I used a long extension to do my starter. I see your oil line is plumbed hard from the block towards the oil gauge. You need a piece of flex hose installed on that line. Otherwise vibration will cause problems and leakage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Where can I a starter like that and will it fit my 48 dodge truck i want to do away with floor start? you need a car starter. shouldn't be too hard to track one down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Thanks all for the information on the oil gauge line. I falsely assumed incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Where can I a starter like that and will it fit my 48 dodge truck i want to do away with floor start? I may have one. Are you still 6 volts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barry Maxwell Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Sorry for the last two posts. I was trying to figure out the correct procedure for attaching a photo below the text. In the past my photo would either appear above the text or be imbedded in the text. What I didn't realize was that when I clicked on "Post", it be included in the post. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 You got it now, Barry. You have to watch to see where the curser is before you add your picture to your post. I've fallen for that one once or twice myself. You would think it would stay at the end where you left it, but for some reason when you go to upload the file the curser tends to jump to the top, or somewhere in the middle, before you can attach the pic to the post. Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonfroehlich Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Thanks no i am 12 volts but someone said you can run 6 volt on 12 I may have one. Are you still 6 volts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonfroehlich Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Thanks for the info!!! you need a car starter. shouldn't be too hard to track one down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 To take the starter off my 39 Desoto I have what is called an obstruction wrench. You can get these at any aoto parts store or even sears. The wrench looks like a it has been bent. It is cureved so that the box end fit over the socket and the curve of the wrench fits the contour of the starter. It is a slow process to take the bolts out but this is the wrench that you need. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 To take the starter off my 39 Desoto I have what is called an obstruction wrench. You can get these at any aoto parts store or even sears. The wrench looks like a it has been bent. It is cureved so that the box end fit over the socket and the curve of the wrench fits the contour of the starter. It is a slow process to take the bolts out but this is the wrench that you need. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Thats the same style wrench I mentioned. I've always heard it called a 1/2 moon wrench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Maxwell Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 To take the starter off my 39 Desoto I have what is called an obstruction wrench. You can get these at any aoto parts store or even sears. The wrench looks like a it has been bent. It is cureved so that the box end fit over the socket and the curve of the wrench fits the contour of the starter. It is a slow process to take the bolts out but this is the wrench that you need. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Rich: I will look into getting an obstruction or 1/2 moon wrench. Thank you guys. I have now reinstalled my starter and the gas pedal/carb. bracket on the bell housing. If I ever have to remove the starter again (I hope I don't), I think that I can get to the bolts by removing the floor plates if I have to. However, the obstruction wrench will be a better option if it works for me. Thanks again. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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