1930 Dodge Posted June 19, 2011 Report Posted June 19, 2011 Is there any interest in original toolkits for your cars here, I did a search on past posts but I see zero tak about them. Maybe I am not doing the search correctly???? Can someone try this that is more comp. saavy than me and tell me if they find anything and how they found it. I found a little jack talk but that was it. Does anyone have any original kits with their cars, can you display pict. I am trying to collect this info and then put it all in one place so that anyone in the future can know what to look for to make their car complete. Does anyone have an original parts book for their car that they would be willing to scan the tool page from? Thanks Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Posted June 19, 2011 Here are some pictures of the original tools and jack for a 39 Desoto. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) Here are other tools from my 1939 Desoto tools bag. The first two pictures are the entire tools kit pieces that are int he bag Picture three is a tool that is used to expand the c clip on the brake shoess on the eccentric posts. They push the c-clip outward so you then push the clip off the eccentric. Picture 4 is the spring grease tool that is used to grease the rear springs when you ahve the spring covers installed. Picture 5 is a tool that is used to grab the lamp sockets around the base of the buld and then you can push in with the tool to twist the bulb lose and take it out without having the bulb break in your fingers and then you get glass pieces in you hand and fingers. Rich Hartung Edited June 19, 2011 by desoto1939 Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Posted June 19, 2011 This is for braking the bead on the tires and then you use the tire irons to remove the tire. This tool is stamped 1942 Plymouth on the tool. Fist and third picture The 2nd picture is of a tool that is used to hold the cups in the wheel cylinders when you are doing a brakeshoe job. All tools that I have used and are Mopar tools from the mid 30-40's. rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Posted June 20, 2011 Thanks Rich, I hope you can answer a few questions 1- do you have the parts book that specifically covers your model and would it be possible to get a scan of the tools page 2-can I get a clearer pict and a length of your screwdrivers 3-are there any markings on the pliers. 4-I cant make out the manuf. name cast into the wrenches. Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Thanks Rich, I hope you can answer a few questions1- do you have the parts book that specifically covers your model and would it be possible to get a scan of the tools page 2-can I get a clearer pict and a length of your screwdrivers 3-are there any markings on the pliers. 4-I cant make out the manuf. name cast into the wrenches. 1. I will scann the tools section for you. 2. I will get closer picture of both screwdrivers. They were red handles with the metal cap. 3. No markings on the pliers 4. Fairmont was the main maufacturer of tools for Chrysler and Dodge from the information that I have gathered Rich Hartung Quote
plymouthasc Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Thanks for posting the tools photos. You have a great collection of original tools! Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Posted June 20, 2011 Rich, there were various lengths of these screwdrivers used that is why it would be helpfull if you post a second photo to have a tape along side it, easier to referance later. Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 the flat is 7 1/4 and the phillips is 7 1/2 rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Thanks for that Rich, that screwfriver ( flat head ) has shown up in earlier model Plymouth and Dodge automobiles but I have not seen the phillips until now. Interestingly though the screwdriver became shorter it would appear at this point as the years progressed. Every time I notice these changes it reminds me that cost cutting was always a predominent factor when it came to these toolkits. Once I see your tools page I can confirm part numbers. I do wonder how your car ended up with so many service tools, maybe a previous owner was a service tech? On the wrenches, are they marked fairmont, I dont know when they began supplying tools for Chrysler products, Surely if they did than that did not begin until sometime in the late 30s and anyone that might say otherwise is only going on rumor and prob. has not spent 10 second looking into these things for themselves I have been informed that the screwdrivers were possibly manufactured by J.P. Danielson who also was the contract maker for Harley Davidson until the 1960's. They are at least a match to the same screwdrivers used in these other toolkits. Also I should mention that in all this time that I have been looking into these kits you are the first Desoto guy that has offered to help and I have inquired many times within the desoto club. Edited June 21, 2011 by 1930 Dodge Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 The bais tools kit has been expanded by me over the years of collecting. The basic kit did not include the black 1941 tire tool not the cylinder cup tool, c clip tool, fan blade tool and spring tool and headlight bulb tool. These I have added to my kits over the years. I have been collecting for over 25 years and these are tools that I have found and also have seen in manuals and also in the Miller Tool Catalogs. These are tools that the dealers and also independent garage shops would have used on these cars. I am glad that I can be of some assistance to you. From What I have seen and have been talking to the tool guys at swap meets the Fairmont was a major manufacturer of tools in the 30-40s. I do not have any documentation on tools and have not been able to find any of this at the swap meets. I also have a nice collection of Miller Tools: MT19 - the Brake adjusting tools with 7 sleeves. Ammco 1750 brake gage Steering wheel puller used from 1939 and up rear Axles puller and internal grease seal puller The Master Cylinder refil bottle that attachs to the master cyclinder that is under the floor board. The tool to pull the ememgency brake drum off the rear of the trans. Tool to pullthe pinion seal out of the differential and several other tools. Rich Hartung Quote
Young Ed Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 Rich do you have a steering wheel puller for the wheels without the threaded bolt holes? I'd like to see what that looks like. Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Here are two scan. First is from the 39 Desoto Parts Manual inthe tools section. Second in from the 36-42 DeSoto Master Parts List on the tools. Hope this gets you started on the right track. I tried to post the two sheets but the file is to large. Send me you email and I will then send it to you as an attachment. Sorry the system has its limits. Rich Hartung Edited June 22, 2011 by desoto1939 Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Posted June 21, 2011 E-mail sent, thanks, do you have a parts book specifically for your model year? and only your model year? Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 Ok got it, yes that is what I was looking for, thanks again Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 Rich do you have a steering wheel puller for the wheels without the threaded bolt holes? I'd like to see what that looks like. Ed, I do not have one of these put I will try to scan a picture from my Miller Tool Catalog for you. I see on ocassions the old snap-on puller on ebay. Rich Hartung Quote
Young Ed Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 Rich a snap-on part number or something so I could see one would be great too. If they are reasonably priced I'd buy one just for my truck projects. Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Young ed: Here are two picture of the 1938 and back and the 1939 and forward steering miller pullers from the miller tool Catalog rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com Miller Catalog DPCD 35-41 p 91.PDF Miller Catalog DPCD 35-41 p 92.PDF Quote
Young Ed Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Sure wish I could buy one now for 6.95! Quote
desoto1939 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Sure wish I could buy one now for 6.95! Ed, Just figure in inflation and the cost would still be 6.95 plus the over priceing for an antique tool. I have the Miller Tool manual scanned to CD if you are interested. Tools are great to have but they are getting harder to find. Rich Hartung Quote
LAKOTA169 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Posted June 24, 2011 Here's a photo of one. I borrowed it from Paul Curtis. Haven't used it yet. Quote
Young Ed Posted June 24, 2011 Report Posted June 24, 2011 Ed I can make out a HE53 on the one side. Are there any other markings on it? Quote
1930 Dodge Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Posted June 24, 2011 Looks like the only thing that is missing from all of these pictures is the leather protector cup, I can show a pretty clear picture of the puller in use if anyone wants it. The picture is from a 34 D.B service manual but it is practically the same puller Miller part # CM-232 I would like a copy of that catalog you mentioned Rich, is it for sale or something you can send via e-mail. Incidentally has anyone seen a service manual for any Chrysler product prior to 1934? Quote
TodFitch Posted June 24, 2011 Report Posted June 24, 2011 ...Incidentally has anyone seen a service manual for any Chrysler product prior to 1934? Nope. The earliest factory service manual for Plymouth is 1934. Not sure about the other makes though. Quote
LAKOTA169 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Posted June 24, 2011 Young Ed, the only other markings I can find is this. On the opposite side of the top bar. Quote
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