Cpt.Fred Posted July 28, 2011 Author Report Posted July 28, 2011 dmullaly: looking forward to see pics of your setup! meadowbrook: measure the diameter of your exhaust pipe and buy a smithy or cherrybomb or whatever glasspack as long as possible, at least 23" but more is better. the longer they get the sound gets lower, i had a 23" cherry on 1 1/2" single pipe in there before and it was just like riding a shrimp cutter i took the gas tank out yesterday (broke a strap no matter how careful i was but it's already welded back on) and it's like a swamp in there... no wonder the 2 filters couldn't tackle it. amazing, i didn't imagine it would be that bad... good to know now so i'll do something about it. it's already bathing in cleaner and tonight i'll go in with a pressure washer. next thing is new fuel lines. Quote
hkestes41 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Posted July 28, 2011 With the gas cap being very easy to get to a lot of crap ends up in the tank especially if there are kids around. When I pulled mine I found a bunch of gravel, broken glass, some flat rubber pieces about the size of a quarter coin, popsicle sticks, drinking straws and a fork. Quote
Don Coatney Posted July 28, 2011 Report Posted July 28, 2011 With the gas cap being very easy to get to a lot of crap ends up in the tank especially if there are kids around. When I pulled mine I found a fork. Was it a good fork? Small salad fork or larger table fork? Stainless or silver plated fork? Did you give it to your wife? Did she clean it and add it to her silverware drawer? Can you eat well with it? Three, four, or more prongs? I cant think of any more fork related questions:D Quote
hkestes41 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Posted July 28, 2011 Was it a good fork? Small salad fork or larger table fork? Stainless or silver plated fork? Did you give it to your wife? Did she clean it and add it to her silverware drawer? Can you eat well with it? Three, four, or more prongs? I cant think of any more fork related questions:D Cheap stainless salad fork. Couldn't have been something for the Antiques Roadshow like the guy in Tulsa who took his cup collection in and it appraised for between $1,000,000 and $1,500,000. Quote
T120 Posted July 29, 2011 Report Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) With the gas cap being very easy to get to a lot of crap ends up in the tank especially if there are kids around. When I pulled mine I found a bunch of gravel, broken glass, some flat rubber pieces about the size of a quarter coin, popsicle sticks, drinking straws and a fork. ..Brought to mind something I witnessed many years ago as I was out for a drive.It was a hot summer day and a group of youngsters in shorts and bathing suits, (I'm sure they were all pre school age), had obviously been having fun cooling off and soaking themselves with a garden hose.As I was driving by they had the gas cap off a parked car were filling up the tank with water and handfuls of dirt and gravel,quite happy in their play Edited July 29, 2011 by Ralph D25cpe Quote
Niel Hoback Posted July 29, 2011 Report Posted July 29, 2011 Musta been the "fork in the road". You guys gotta stop giving me straight lines. Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted July 30, 2011 Author Report Posted July 30, 2011 did i mention i just doesn't stop pouring around here? maaaaaaaan...... i found some weird looking metal housing parts in my gas tank. will post a photo the next days. a nice "whatzit" for you guys:D i'm now soaking that sonofanothertank in a really mean base normally used for claeaning industrial kitchen air outlets, let's see where that leads us to. doesn't look like there's any rust in there. the carbs are once more away to the ultrasonic cleaning thingy. and it's raining. still raining. makes me feel like this guy: that was last year at a local race (boy we had fun, and look at the weather!) just one more week of rain and i'm going to flip over! this isn't summer at all... Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) ok, we have a 2 day break until the next depression area is passing through here's the thingy i found in my tank: what did it belong to? anyone? i did the last cleaning steps yesterday and the tank is clean now. unfortunately (but not surprisingly) i could see daylight in there afterwards, so we had to solder a few holes, the breather tube and the drain piece. obviously that tank has been through quite a lot, it's warped, the fillerhose is out of shape (and so is the rear fender under the grommet) and it must have gotten a massive hit from underneath once. to fix that, they must have inserted a pole or rod of some kind through the hole in the top where the floating gauge sits, and drove the metal back down with hammer blows. all the bucklings from that treatment had tiny holes in them now, and the tank had been soldered 6 or 7 times in the past! interesting what a little crud can hide...but to be honest, i don't give much how my gas tank looks like as long as it holds my precious gas. we pay around 1,65EUR per litre now. yikes... it will get some coating today and then it's going back in there before the rain starts again. the carbs are clean and will be back in the afternoon. now all i have to do is get some new copper tubes at some shop and get to work with the border crimping set i borrowed yesterday. Edited October 8, 2011 by Cpt.Fred Quote
Andydodge Posted August 3, 2011 Report Posted August 3, 2011 Fred, what with your efforts with this 40 Plymouth and Mark in California with his 41 Plymouth, have you two thought of going into business together?.........the rest of us can send our cars to you pair to restore them!!!!!!!........lol........seriously tho' I always read your posts, would enjoy meeting you as you obviously have the right "passion" for old cars.......dunno what that thing you found in the tank is tho"........regards from Oz....andyd Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Posted August 4, 2011 thanks a lot, andy, but i think i will never make the mistake again to turn a hobby into business. takes away all the magic for me... and meeting would be fun, i clearly remember our phonetalk about fixing the cooling system and the dos-and-don'ts of radiator removal unfortunately we have quite some distance between our garages, and sadly that goes for all the others here, too. some pics on the tank issue. this one shows the overall condition quite well: a little coating and some new hoses: it goes back in: there we are! here's another one on the exhaust showing how we ran the pipes over the rear end: i put in new copper lines and filters, one between tank and electric pump and one between pump and the fuel block. that should do. right now the carbs are lying on the desk in front of me for reassambly. i hope they go back in today. one down, where is the next problem!? Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Posted August 6, 2011 everything is back together and runs very nice. only 2 things to worry about on the cruise today: 1. the plugs that shut the main fuel passage under the float bowls didn't quite like being removed this time... they were a little leaky at first so i had to tap them with a small hammer again. hope they stay tight now. 2. some mechanical noise somewhere in the drivetrain that appeared for the first time when i came back from the race 2 weeks ago. i checked all moving parts on the undercarriage, but didn't find anything. so i guess i just go on until something breaks or it gets loud enough to be spotted... i'm guessing u-joint, but i couldn't do anything about it now. Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Posted August 9, 2011 i had a nice ride, although the noise hasn't stopped (nor increased). even decent weather, wow. some nice cars at the party and nice people. the carbs all worked like they should. i guess i just do some more test runs and try a little fine tuning and then i can end this thread and get on with the next project. Quote
1940 Dodge VC Posted August 12, 2011 Report Posted August 12, 2011 Love the picture with the truck! Thanks for the inspirational rebuild of the 201! I've got one in my '40 pickup. great sound. Have you posted any youtube video of it running? Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) in fact yes, now i have... i didn't visit the thread lately, so i didn't see your question. sorry for that. video: it's still a little high in idle and i will fiddle some more with the jets and pump stroke, but basically it runs great now, stable at 15-16mpg at 65 miles an hour. the valves are a little noisy because i gave them some extra clearance when i adjusted them cold. the dual horns still wait to be put back in, but since there isn't any room left for them i was thinking of maybe putting them in front of the radiator, like on the P15. still have to get the hand brake done as well. the car got a little painting last week, and the next steps are cutting the front coils and get the rear springs refreshed and lowered. 15" chrysler rims are in the shelf, steel bubble skirts are already on their way. i was thinking of dark green rims with golden striping and small bullet centers? getting painted: if anyone can give me directions on how to do the coil cutting (which side of the lower a-arm did you release, how much do i cut to get 2" lower) i would be very glad! fall is coming, so i have to do some things before i put it away for the winter. best, fred Edited October 8, 2011 by Cpt.Fred Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) Hi Capt Fred just found this thread. Am very impressed with what you have done. Have a few comments. If you would like Imperial feeler gauges give me a mailing address and I will send you some. Have sent you a PM with my email address. Did you put extra washers on your head bolts? After milling the head it is a good idea. If the bolts bottom out in the holes you will not get a correct torque reading. That is an awful lot of carbs for an engine that size and type. Not surprised you have difficulty getting it to idle down and run smooth. Such a setup is really for racing and high speed only. I know it is too late now but a log manifold, and progressive linkage would allow the engine to run on 1 carburetor until you reach half throttle then the others kick in. This is the best system for the street or at least, the smoothest running. On the balance pipes. I don't think the size is critical as long as they are big enough to equalize the vacuum at idle. Would be interested to know if you found out anything different. Be careful of what kind of hose you use. Gas will rot some kinds of hose like heater hose. Vacuum hose or fuel line should be OK. If you wanted to try a progressive system you might be able to adapt your manifold by making balance pipes as big as the intake pipes. Just a thought. Edited October 10, 2011 by Rusty O'Toole Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted October 10, 2011 Author Report Posted October 10, 2011 Thanks, Rusty. I'll email you about gauges and some of your thoughts. I haven't put more washers on beacuse i didn't think it would be necessary with the .040 we had taken off, but now that you mention it... well, i guess i was lucky, so far it works very well. The car behaves quite nice, regarding that i haven't spent too much time with adjusting it, and i think it will get even better. the idle you can see and hear in the video above isn't that bad, i just think there's more potential. Furthermore i might choose to put a 230 in there one of these days, and then it will be a better match. right now it's a turn key car and i drive it a lot, of course there is still much work left in it, but that's part of the fun. if the weather doesn't let me down i'll do a 1000km round trip next weekend, i'm curious how the car will take it. best, fred Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) a little update here for those who still care the 1000km test run mentioned above see here: http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=29456&highlight=cloud+sight well, and since i always talked about it, i finally came to take the car for some very interesting test runs with a lambda device mounted to the headers. for explanation: a lambda value of 1.0 on the meter represents the perfect mixing ratio of gasoline and air. lower value means a rich mixture, higher is a leaner mixture. for those who are interested, the car is now running lambda 0.80 to 0.85 in idle, still too rich but ok for car like this. under smooth acceleration the mixture gets leaner, lambda 0.90 to 0.95, when kicked real hard it even reaches 1.05-1.10. so i guess i will have to fabricate a slightly leaner main jet and fiddle around a little, because mixture should get richer under acceleration. the worst thing is that when i take my foot off the gas and get into rolling/ coasting (sorry don't know the correct term) the engine is literally flooded for a short period, reaching lambda 0.70 or even richer. that said, it's no wonder that my plugs are coal-black... the mileage is now around 17mpg during overland travel, and between 15 and 16mpg in city traffic, depending on my driving, of course. there's still lots of work to do, but in general i'm quite happy. when i solved my dizzy problems i'll go on. Edited April 24, 2012 by Cpt.Fred Quote
Don Coatney Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) Your air cleaners may be the reason you are running rich. I had the same issue until I double stacked them as pictured. Edited April 24, 2012 by Don Coatney Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Posted April 24, 2012 hey Don, the same photo illustrates 2 different things in 2 different threads, that's very efficient But i must say i do not completely understand what you mean. Should i restrict the airflow more in order to get the mixture leaner? Please explain, i'm curios. The filter inserts came together with the tri power housings, so i don't really know what kind of flow they allow, but i guess they're quite open. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 I believe he means that you need more air flow for a leaner mix. Maybe your filters are too restrictive. Quote
Cpt.Fred Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Posted April 24, 2012 ok... maybe i try another test run without filters and see what happens. thanks! Quote
Don Coatney Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 I believe he means that you need more air flow for a leaner mix. Maybe your filters are too restrictive. Merle is correct Quote
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