NiftyFifty Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 Hey Gents, Going to be putting on Charlie's front brake kit but I lucked out on my 50 1 ton and have the 1 5/16 spindles as per some other members so I'm going to have to get them turned down. I have worked on a lot of cars in my days (which aren't even that many) and I have yet to ever work on anything of this vintage so I have never had a king pin out before. I have the oil caps off, everything else disassembled that I'm aware of, so do they pound out or do you have to have a special press to get them out? Mine look like they've never seen a hammer so I'm left wondering. Also I searched the forum and saw some quotes about removing pins? I took out the small bolt on the side, but is there anything else holding the king pin in place? Just want to do this right and not destroy anything so any info is appreciated. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 If you have the lock bolt out from the side of the axle, and the top plug removed, use a good punch or drift pin and drive the pin out with a hammer. It should be snug but not so tight that you can't knock it out with a 16 - 20 oz. hammer. Merle Quote
NiftyFifty Posted May 12, 2010 Author Report Posted May 12, 2010 OH NO! I went into night sweats last night once it hit me....I also will have to now have the threaded portion turned down to 3/4" and then re-threaded as well as now the whole spindle would been to be machioned and started from scratch.... Have any members here used the 1 ton 1.31 spindles with Charlies kit and found any way around this stuff? Thanks for the advice Merle, I'll start smacking my finger tonight Quote
NiftyFifty Posted May 12, 2010 Author Report Posted May 12, 2010 Found a big wrecker out about 45 mins from me, but only has cars....anyone know if there are any sold front axle mopar cars with the right axle I could maybe swap in? Quote
Olddaddy Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 I wanted to chime in here about these spindles. I'm aware of your problem, and there is one other guy with a similar problem. Yours are the only two I have ever encountered like this in 40 years working on these old Mopars. I doubt they only made two of them, so there are probably more out there somewhere. I have not found any bearing that will fit this spindle and since the outer and inner are both affected I don't think turning the spindle is an option. You can install the spindles from either a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton truck, my kit will fit them both. The diameters are 1 1/4 and 1 3/8 and bearings are available to fit both of those sizes. I have always asked what size spindle people have to make sure I send them a kit with the right diameter spacer. In future I will have to make sure they understand there are only two sizes that will work with my kit. This "new" size is not going to be one that I can convert. Having said all that if you would like to send me one of your spindles, at my cost, I would like the opportunity to play with it for a week or so and see what I can come up with. It's a challenge and I can't just turn away from it. Let me know. Quote
NiftyFifty Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Posted May 17, 2010 I wanted to chime in here about these spindles. I'm aware of your problem, and there is one other guy with a similar problem. Yours are the only two I have ever encountered like this in 40 years working on these old Mopars. I doubt they only made two of them, so there are probably more out there somewhere. I have not found any bearing that will fit this spindle and since the outer and inner are both affected I don't think turning the spindle is an option. You can install the spindles from either a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton truck, my kit will fit them both. The diameters are 1 1/4 and 1 3/8 and bearings are available to fit both of those sizes. I have always asked what size spindle people have to make sure I send them a kit with the right diameter spacer. In future I will have to make sure they understand there are only two sizes that will work with my kit. This "new" size is not going to be one that I can convert. Having said all that if you would like to send me one of your spindles, at my cost, I would like the opportunity to play with it for a week or so and see what I can come up with. It's a challenge and I can't just turn away from it. Let me know. I would be happy to send one of mine when it's off.....just have to find a replacement first and that's appearing to be a challenge now in my neck of the woods. Quote
NiftyFifty Posted June 11, 2010 Author Report Posted June 11, 2010 Ok, so now that I have a new 1/2 ton front axle I find that I have just a bit too much play in my one side king pin to pass the safety regulations here in Canada....I have been WHALING on these pins for the last hour trying to get them out, and I have heated the axle with my torch about 5 times as well and used WD40 and everything I can think of....... Anyone have any idea on how to get these pins out...their stuck bad and everyone else seems to have a lot better luck with theirs... Thanks Quote
Young Ed Posted June 11, 2010 Report Posted June 11, 2010 You removed the lock pins already right? Quote
NiftyFifty Posted June 11, 2010 Author Report Posted June 11, 2010 You removed the lock pins already right? You mean the bolt on the side right? Yes it is out...I can't see any other place for anything to hold it....so I'm lost.. Quote
rustyzman Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Heat and Beat. Thats the name of the game. If they are that stuck, thats all you can do unless you know someone with the OTC or SnapOn hydraulic on car king pin press. You could always remove the whole axle and use a shop press to do it. None of it makes for a fun day, but it may take that much. Wish I had a better way, but the blue wrench may be your best friend on this. Quote
NiftyFifty Posted June 12, 2010 Author Report Posted June 12, 2010 Heat and Beat. Thats the name of the game. If they are that stuck, thats all you can do unless you know someone with the OTC or SnapOn hydraulic on car king pin press. You could always remove the whole axle and use a shop press to do it. None of it makes for a fun day, but it may take that much. Wish I had a better way, but the blue wrench may be your best friend on this. Ya I've come to that conclusion, however I'm starting to get a bad feeling things might be bent a bt and it's enough that pin would never move.....might be why my camber looked so bad before when I had the brake kit on and the tire...thought it was just the pin being a bit loose and the tie rod adjust...but now I don't know....one nightmare after another on this project Quote
MBF Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 On my 1 ton, the axle had to come out be put in a press and heat the eyes and even then it took a bit of doing. Once they started to move-the battle was over. If you're trying to do this on the vehicle, make sure the axle is solidly supported near the eye so that the force from each blow is actually doing something instead of being transferred down the shaft of the axle to the support that you're using. The good thing is-you'll probably never have to do this again! Mike Quote
PatS.... Posted June 13, 2010 Report Posted June 13, 2010 On my car, I had to take one side to a machine shop to get the kingpin out, the other side came out easy of course. I took the other side down to them as well and got them to install both kingpins. Money well spent and the neighbors didn't learn any more new words:eek: Quote
NiftyFifty Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Posted June 13, 2010 Yep, this is my next step, I'd be out there now working hard if my friends hadn't sprung my bachelor party on me last night. Something about laying on the floor with the impact ratteling near my head doesn't sound attractive today......but I might be getting another axle that's good too...so it all depends. Thanks for the info guys! Quote
Phil Martin Posted June 13, 2010 Report Posted June 13, 2010 When you loosen that bolt on side I believe there is pin or key that is held by that bolt. You would have to drive that out before the kingpin. Quote
NiftyFifty Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Posted June 13, 2010 When you loosen that bolt on side I believe there is pin or key that is held by that bolt. You would have to drive that out before the kingpin. Not on this one that I can see, it's just a bolt that when all the way in puts pressure on the flat spot on the pin....no other holes on the other side to drive anything out and no key anywhere I can see. Quote
Juday1951 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Did you ever find a solution for this problem? I have the exact same scenario on my '51 B3B. The driver's side king pin came out with absolutely no problems. The passenger side won't budge a bit! I've tried heating, PB Blaster, BFHs and punches. I figured I'd walk away before I lost my cool and started damaging things.... But seriously, what did you do to get the pin out? Thank you, Kevin Quote
NiftyFifty Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 Did you ever find a solution for this problem? I have the exact same scenario on my '51 B3B. The driver's side king pin came out with absolutely no problems. The passenger side won't budge a bit! I've tried heating, PB Blaster, BFHs and punches. I figured I'd walk away before I lost my cool and started damaging things....But seriously, what did you do to get the pin out? Thank you, Kevin I purchased another axle....there was no way those pins would come out, and if they did it would have likely caused more damage and been a waste anyway.....not to mention you can't turn down the spindles after we really got thinking...the threaded portion is wrong too and pretty tough to turn on threads and a hole for the cotter pin. Only thing I can say to you is to get a torch and heat the spindles up fast (not the pin) and start hammering with a BIG PUNCH and a BIG HAMMER...if that doesn't work you need to remove the assembly and get it pressed out...or buy a whole axle with good pins.. Quote
Juday1951 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Old pin removed! Thank God for air hammers.... Quote
ggdad1951 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Old pin removed! Thank God for air hammers.... nice! once it moved did it come out easy? Quote
Juday1951 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 nice! once it moved did it come out easy? Not really, it still took awhile for it to come out. Slowly, but surely... At about the half way point, it shot out like a rocket. Quote
ggdad1951 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Not really, it still took awhile for it to come out. Slowly, but surely...At about the half way point, it shot out like a rocket. right onto your foot right? Quote
NiftyFifty Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 Not really, it still took awhile for it to come out. Slowly, but surely...At about the half way point, it shot out like a rocket. I used an air hammer and everything in between and above....mine wouldn't budge...even went out and bought a more powerful air hammer to try...no go...but the air hammer is always useful so that part wasn't a waste... I even had a 3/4" ground rod I ground to a bit of a point and I drilled a slight hole in the pin then wailed on it with a 20lb sledge.....not even a hint of moving...and it had soaked in WD and every other lube for a week before that...I have to say..rust is one powerful thing...but I honestly think the pin was bent or something Quote
Juday1951 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 right onto your foot right? No, but it missed my head by about two inches!! Hahaha Quote
Ydnubla1 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Hi, Sorry to dig up an old thread, but.... I'm looking all over the spindle, and I'm not sure I see anything that resembles a lock bolt. I see what appears to be some grease gun points, but that is it. Can anyone point out this mysterious lock bolt for the king pin? Also, does it matter what direction I try to drive this thing out? Quote
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