Good place to buy a new master cylinder??

[BobT-47P15]

Think I will need a new one on the coupe.

Any suggestion for best place and/or price.

Got the wheel cyls and hoses at O'Reilly's but they do not have

a master cyl. Have seen a few listed at up to $249.

[knuckleharley]

The first place I always look is my local NAPA store. They even had wheel cylinders in stock for my 49 Dodge,and their price beat everybody else's.

[Don Coatney]

Have your old one re-sleeved in stainless or brass and it is good for life.

[RobertKB]

Resleeve. I had the one for my '38 Chrysler done at White Post Restorations. Others have used elsewhere and I am sure will chime in.

[TodFitch]

I had some cylinders re-sleeved with brass by:

Sierra Specialty Automotive

3494 Chandler Rd.

Quincy, CA 95971

Telephone: +1.530.283.1886

Fax: +1.530.283.4845

http://www.brakecylinder.com/

email: joe@brakecylinder.com

And they came back things of beauty. Almost a shame to put them on my ratty old car.

Regarding getting a new master cylinder, I don't have the parts book for the Dodge trucks. The pre-war Plymouth trucks used 695696 (same as the 1936 P1 & P2 passenger cars). NAPA Online shows that available for $164:

http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(w4ptgjext35gxi453qjifw55))/Results.aspx?Ntt=695696&Ntk=Interchange%20Number&N=0&Nty=1&D=695696&Dn=0&Dk=1&Dp=3

Part number 1118284 (used on P14 and P15) is also available from NAPA:

http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(w4ptgjext35gxi453qjifw55))/Results.aspx?Ntt=1118284&Ntk=Interchange%20Number&N=0&Nty=1&D=1118284&Dn=0&Dk=1&Dp=3

Sadly the 858889 part used on 1937-41 passenger cars is not available through that source.

[blueskies]

If it were me, I would spend the extra $$ and buy the ECI dual master cylinder kit... Better all 'round, and if you ever elect to do a disc swap up front, you're all set.

Pete

[BobT-47P15]

Called our friend Andy B.... this morning. Talked to Steve.

He said they have new M/cyls, they get them from someone in

Canada. Says he doesn't know if made in China, or not.

Price $145 plus about $14.50 shipping.

$24.50 for a cylinder kit......he thinks the piston is included.

Also called a truck brake place here.....they say they do not sleeve

them, but a place in St Louis (Precision Products) might do it

based on info we would have to give them.

Also will check with NAPA......

Pete......do you have to change much, or anything, to use the ECI master??

[blueskies]

Pete......do you have to change much, or anything, to use the ECI master??

Bob-

As far as I know, it is a bolt in swap... but I haven't seen one in person, so I don't really know.

The ECI kit replaces the original master cylinder, and has the mount for the clutch and brake pedals as part of the deal. Thus, the pedal assembly would have to be taken apart and put back together again as part of the swap.

The kit is about $300, so about twice the price of a Bernbum unit. But twice the margin of saftey, and probably quality too, from what I've heard about Andy.

Pete

[Norm's Coupe]

The ECI dual Master Cylinder for your coupe would be $275. It's a direct bolt in and you would use your existing brake & clutch pedal assembly. Kit #EC-441

http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/chrysler_master_assemblies.html

Regardless of how you go, original or the ECI kit, I'd buy a new one if you can't rebuild your old one. Why mess around with having an old piece of junk sleeved when you can buy new, one way or the other?

[Young Ed]

Norm sleeving only runs about $100 plus a rebuilt kit. If a new one is 249 why not save the ~$100 bucks plus having a more durable material inside the MC.

[blueskies]

The ECI dual Master Cylinder for your coupe would be $275. It's a direct bolt in and you would use your existing brake & clutch pedal assembly. Kit #EC-441

Norm, it's $300... add $25 for standard shift...

Pete

[PodSquad48]

Called our friend Andy B.... this morning. Talked to Steve.

He said they have new M/cyls, they get them from someone in

Canada. Says he doesn't know if made in China, or not.

Price $145 plus about $14.50 shipping.

$24.50 for a cylinder kit......he thinks the piston is included.

Got mine recently from Andy Bernbaum, ran about $160 and I had it the same week, was stamped "Made In U.S.A."

[Norm's Coupe]

Pete, you're right it's $300 for Bob's car. I was looking at the 37-41 price which is $25 less. My mistake.

Ed,

Ed, even if the cost to re-sleeve a MC is only $100, I'd still spend the $300 for a new on from ECI or an original new one from NAPA, etc. I'd probably go with the one from ECI though simply because it's a safer master cylinder being a dual one. That said, I did have mine rebuilt at a shop for only $85, that included removing it, re-installing it and adjusting the brakes back in 95 (mine didn't need to be re-sleeved). If the ECI MC was available then, I would have bought it instead. I may be cheap on other things, but not when it comes to things like brakes.

[BobT-47P15]

Checked at NAPA. They have two new M/Cs in their warehouse at

$215 each (low as he can go, he sez).

[Norm's Coupe]

Bob, I have this one for our cars (NAPA Brand). The little small plug on the top of the front is in case you want to use it with a remote filler. Last I checked it ran about $340 or $350 at NAPA. This one has never been on a car and still in original box, but not sure how old it is. Rubber boot looks like new though. You will notice the cap has rust on it. That's because I switched the caps. Put the new cap on my own car. This cap is good though, just not as pretty. If interested maybe we can work something out via PM. Was keeping it for a spare, but think I'd rather have a new dual one from ECI if I ever need a new one.

[RobertKB]

Regardless of how you go' date=' original or the ECI kit, I'd buy a new one if you can't rebuild your old one. Why mess around with having an old piece of junk sleeved when you can buy new, one way or the other?QUOTE']

The "old piece of junk" comes back looking better than a new one. It is tanked and fully cleaned before being sleeved with brass or stainless. They are a thing of beauty when they come back. At White Post, it was a very short turn around and their price included return shipping.

[Andydodge]

There is nothing wrong with using a resleeved master cylinder, as previously mentioned the stainless or brass sleeves will outlast an original cast iron bore and not corode in the process also, but I have a question about the ECI dual circuit master cylinder, it may bolt in but is the bore/stroke suitable for the drum brakes that our cars mostly run?......if you have fitted discs brakes on the front or all round then the dual circuit ECI M/c is required but I have some doubts about using one on stock drum brakes......you maybe better to find a mid 60's dual circuit DRUM brake master cylinder as it should have a more suitable bore........just my 2cents worth, I have had 4 wheel discs on my 40 Dodge since about 1978........andyd

[BobT-47P15]

White Post Restorations says they will re-sleeve a master with brass and

install new parts, plus give a lifetime waranty for $195 including shipping.

A local truck brake store called one of their sources, who said they have

two new Wagner cylinders on the shelf at $189 each.

So more choices at more prices.

[1940plymouth]

Bob,

My two cents worth,

I had White Post resleeve my master cylinder for the '40 about ten years ago.

Very pleased and they were very good to deal with.

Bob

[steveplym]

I guess I agree with Blueskies and Norm. I think when the time comes that I need a new master cylinder I'm getting an ECI kit. I just switched my old truck over from a single pot m/c to a dual m/c. It's nice to know that if I have two seperate lines for brakes and that if one of the lines fail they won't all fail.

I know it is a modification, but some mods just make sense. Plus it will be below the floorboard and no one will ever see it.

[knuckleharley]

If it were me, I would spend the extra $$ and buy the ECI dual master cylinder kit... Better all 'round, and if you ever elect to do a disc swap up front, you're all set.

Pete

Nope,not a chance. This car is all original right down to the paint,and I'm not modifying anything. When was the last time YOU saw a original 31 Plymouth coupe with shiny paint that had never been repainted?

[BobT-47P15]

Thanks guys, for all the good input and suggestions.

As always with these old cars, there are several possibilities.

First the mechanic will check condition of the current master on the

car to see if it will simply take a kit. At least for now.

If not, I have a cyl rebuilt by my son-in-law.....but he says the

bore is not perfectly smooth. So that's iffy probably.

Once the mechanic gives me his verdict, I have to decide the next step

if needed.