TodFitch Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Over at Over at http://p15-d24.com/topic/37750-3-passenger-business-coupes/?p=396075this was posted: i have a 1949 dodge wayfarer business coupe does anyone know how to connect the wires on the horn relay and also to the steering wheel i cant get it to work on the steering wheel is there something missing on the horn button on the steering wheel please someone guide me thanks Starting a new thread on this to make it more visible as it might be lost in the middle of that other thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Elder Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thank you Tod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel_ny Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) i have a 1949 dodge wayfarer business coupe does anyone know how to connect the wires on the horn relay and also to the steering wheel i cant get it to work on the steering wheel is there something missing on the horn button on the steering wheel please someone guide me thanks Several threads on horn relay wiring: One of these may help to answer your question. If not, you could start a thread on your problem. Moderator Tod has moved (copied the post to start) this thread. (will OP see this thread ????) http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl= horn relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay Edited February 4, 2015 by shel_ny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbound Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Over at Over at http://p15-d24.com/topic/37750-3-passenger-business-coupes/?p=396075this was posted: Starting a new thread on this to make it more visible as it might be lost in the middle of that other thread. When this happens, do you typically notify the user his post was moved & a new thread started? I ask because I had a similar situation, I had a pic removed from a thread without notification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodFitch Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 When this happens, do you typically notify the user his post was moved & a new thread started? I ask because I had a similar situation, I had a pic removed from a thread without notification. Actually, I did not move the post but simply copied it. So the original is still there. And I've added a link on that post to this thread. So while I haven't actually PM'd the original poster, I think he should be able to find the responses here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyankee Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Several threads on horn relay wiring: One of these may help to answer your question. If not, you could start a thread on your problem. Moderator Tod has moved (copied the post to start) this thread. (will OP see this thread ????) http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl= horn relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay http://p15-d24.com/t...hl=+horn +relay i finally got to find out which is the connections for the horny relay but i notice when i connect the wire on the steering wheel the horns goes on i dont understand i thought that when i press the ring down it will go off but it remains on is there something missing on my steering wheel i have the ornament retainer , the retainer , the horn blowing ring , blowing ring contact plate is there something missing that i need please help thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 i finally got to find out which is the connections for the horny relay but i notice when i connect the wire on the steering wheel the horns goes on i dont understand i thought that when i press the ring down it will go off but it remains on is there something missing on my steering wheel i have the ornament retainer , the retainer , the horn blowing ring , blowing ring contact plate is there something missing that i need please help thanks When the horn button is pressed the circuit is grounded and the horn toots. If it toots without pressing the button then something in the system is grounded. Possibly the wire that passes through the steering column. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 The horn circuit could also be grounded at the steering wheel, if the horn button or ring is not installed correctly. I found out that my horn ring keeps the contacting surfaces apart, only after I tighten the the screws that hold the assembly together. Pushing any part of the ring allows the surfaces to contact and, as Mr. Don stated in such clear terms, the horn will toot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I have discovered that controlling toots is much more difficult the older the system gets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Then there was the tutor who tutored two tooters to toot. But I digress. I sense that we are straying from the theme of the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 So, Dons........gazzooks, theres a pair of them....lol......if I drag my lower extremeties along the ground that should provide a grounding to negate the chance of me tooting?.............oops..........back in my corner I go...........lol.............andyd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel_ny Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 i finally got to find out which is the connections for the horny relay but i notice when i connect the wire on the steering wheel the horns goes on i dont understand i thought that when i press the ring down it will go off but it remains on is there something missing on my steering wheel i have the ornament retainer , the retainer , the horn blowing ring , blowing ring contact plate is there something missing that i need please help thanks Is there a spring in the 49 setup? Maybe someone can post a diagram of the 49 if it was not in one of the threads listed in my other post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) I found some photos I was looking for. Here is a photo of the horn contact components: The horn wire plugs into the brass strap. Ground the strap and the horn toots (snicker, snicker). The silvery cup is pushed by a spring against the brass strap. The spring contacts the steering shaft, and therefore, is grounded. Left as it is, the horn will blow constantly. The pot metal cross bar connects through the fastener holes in the steering wheel to the horn ring. The cross bar has four lugs that push the cup away from the strap, silencing the horn, once the fasteners are, well, fastened, tightly. (The cross bar and horn ring are isolated from ground by the plastic of the steering wheel. As an aside, if you connect the horn ring to ground, the horn should sound.) Pushing or pulling the horn ring moves a lug away from the cup, allowing the cup to contact the strap, completing the circuit. Edit: the cup goes on first, under the large nut. The lugs push back the spring. Edited February 10, 2015 by DonaldSmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyankee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is there a spring in the 49 setup? Maybe someone can post a diagram of the 49 if it was not in one of the threads listed in my other post. yes there is a spring on the 49 when i connect the wire to the brass with a hole in the middle the horn will go off i figure when i connect the wire in the middle and then press down on the horn ring it would go off but its constantly going off so im trying to find anyone with a a picture of inside the horn button to see if there anything missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Now, it goes without saying, so I'll say it anyway, when working on the horn circuit it is better to rig up a test light instead of having the horn blaring. You can disconnect the horn wire under the steering box and clip a test light lead to it. Clip the other lead to a power source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 DonaldSmith, on 09 Feb 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:Now, it goes without saying, so I'll say it anyway, when working on the horn circuit it is better to rig up a test light instead of having the horn blaring. You can disconnect the horn wire under the steering box and clip a test light lead to it. Clip the other lead to a power source. I have heard of lighting a toot but this is the first time I have heard of tooting a light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niel Hoback Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I used to stuff a rag in the horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I just edited my Post No 13. The cup goes on first, under the large nut. the lugs of the horn ring crossbar push on the large spring. There is a more recent thread, "P15 Horn Relay", which as diagrams of both the horn button version and the horn ring version. Edited February 10, 2015 by DonaldSmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel_ny Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://p15-d24.com/topic/35232-p15-horn-relay/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyankee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 does anyone have a picture of a 1949 dodge wayfarer steering wheel so i can see whats inside the steering wheel horn button because when i connect the wire to the plate the horn goes on im wondering if there should be a rubber in the middle of the plate to keep it from grounding thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Elder Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Have you a manual for your car....it would help, they are repops on ebay daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrahawg Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/8/2015 at 1:06 PM, Don Coatney said: When the horn button is pressed the circuit is grounded and the horn toots. If it toots without pressing the button then something in the system is grounded. Possibly the wire that passes through the steering column. First off..I do hope you are doing well, 2nd...I've chased this ground spot/wire all over this car and cannot find where it's grounding and the tooter toots as soon as I turn on the switch..steering column wire was good but I still taped it around bottom, the insulation on the wires close to the horns just crumbled so, I taped all those..actually... a LOT of the wires on this car has insulation that just crumbles..most I've taped or made sure they are not touching anyting...any clues on what I"m missing..? Thanks in advance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, ultrahawg said: First off..I do hope you are doing well, 2nd...I've chased this ground spot/wire all over this car and cannot find where it's grounding and the tooter toots as soon as I turn on the switch..steering column wire was good but I still taped it around bottom, the insulation on the wires close to the horns just crumbled so, I taped all those..actually... a LOT of the wires on this car has insulation that just crumbles..most I've taped or made sure they are not touching anyting...any clues on what I"m missing..? Thanks in advance.. Last summer I had the same problem on my D-24. I cut the wire below where it comes out of the steering column. I then slid a long piece of shrink wrap over the wire and as far up into the steering column as it would go. I re-soldered the piece I cut and heated the shrink wrap. That fixed my problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrahawg Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/24/2018 at 3:05 PM, Don Coatney said: Last summer I had the same problem on my D-24. I cut the wire below where it comes out of the steering column. I then slid a long piece of shrink wrap over the wire and as far up into the steering column as it would go. I re-soldered the piece I cut and heated the shrink wrap. That fixed my problem. well, I pulled that wire out of the steering column again...removed the electrical tape I just put on it last week, put two lengths of shrink wrap on it and wa la..after I put everything back together..damn thing is working as it should..THANK YOU so much Don..I so value your input and knowledge..now, the fuel gage..lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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