Plymouthy Adams Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 depends...how close is the eng/tran split in relationship to the firewall..just a quick measure back from there to generally locate the shifter...on my 2004 NV3500 retrofit int he 48 it is just below the forward face of the dash...perfect location Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ194950 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Smokeybear - Just thought I'd ask! Glad it's not a rag type. Tim I agree with your assessment of rag joints in general. Just appeared He may have used one at a steep angle, which I found out years ago using an Old rag joint. Then can twist apart when misaligned beyond their intended design. Fortunately it was just in the testing stage!! Added a u joint while I removed the broken rag. Smokey pictures didn't show it well enough for these old eyes, so felt a need to at least ask. DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Smokeybear - Just thought I'd ask! Glad it's not a rag type. Tim I agree with your assessment of rag joints in general. Just appeared He may have used one at a steep angle, which I found out years ago using an Old rag joint. Then can twist apart when misaligned beyond their intended design. Fortunately it was just in the testing stage!! Added a u joint while I removed the broken rag. Smokey pictures didn't show it well enough for these old eyes, so felt a need to at least ask. DJ I think what you're seeing is the back of the starter. I haven't cleaned it up yet as I wanted to install it before installing the rack to make sure of all the clearances. Thanks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulu Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 not reliable....what do you think they used for umpteen years..how many of these cars/trucks still have the original rag..more than you can fathom..how many are upgraded to a telescoping universal joint style..only those that enjoyed a retrofit of modern suspension in form of a clip...tell you what...go out and find one of these columns and entertain the removal without unbolting the rag...after defeat (no knife/saw please) come back and let me know how much you sweated and fought and fumed over that little rag... I said it's not reliable as a u-joint. The shafts must be in close alignment. It's very reliable when used as designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Very nice work. I am installing a 318 (5.2) with an NV3500 in my 49 Fastback and was wondering where the shifter comes up in regards to the seat? I'm using non-stock seats but here is a pic that shows where the shifter comes up. Not the best angle but you can see the location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Here's a few pics of the shifter location that show better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 per your description of the rack location to the lower control arm pivot points,,i think it will steer better turning radis wise then the fat man kit,,,smart idea,,, a friend of mine and me are going to do an install soon on a 1940 plymouth,,,your conversion looks interesting,,, also wondering I see your using the dodge power steering pump,,,, love that dodge gauges in your dash as well,,,and a stick shift,, what do you plan to do with the dash,,thats covering the last 2 gauges on the right ? following your project,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 per your description of the rack location to the lower control arm pivot points,,i think it will steer better turning radis wise then the fat man kit,,,smart idea,,, a friend of mine and me are going to do an install soon on a 1940 plymouth,,,your conversion looks interesting,,, also wondering I see your using the dodge power steering pump,,,, love that dodge gauges in your dash as well,,,and a stick shift,, what do you plan to do with the dash,,thats covering the last 2 gauges on the right ? following your project,, I'm looking for a water temp and volt meter gauge that looks similar to the Dakota gauges. I'm going to make a panel that fits where the radio delete is and I'll add them in there. As for the PS pump, yes it's the original Dakota pump. The hoses fit the cavalier rack with not modifications. 18mm and 16mm ends on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Getting a little closer every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fstfish66 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 keep pluggging away,,,it will be worth it in the end loving this project,,, have you thought of maybe to modify the dash to make the dakota guages fit and all be visable ?? ive seen it done in a 1937 dash,,,if i were building a car it would be the way you are doing it,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 keep pluggging away,,,it will be worth it in the end loving this project,,, have you thought of maybe to modify the dash to make the dakota guages fit and all be visable ?? ive seen it done in a 1937 dash,,,if i were building a car it would be the way you are doing it,,, I don't really want to cut up the dash in case I can figure out a way to use the original speedometer with the pulse type speedometer output in the NV3500. Thanks for the compliments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybose Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I don't really want to cut up the dash in case I can figure out a way to use the original speedometer with the pulse type speedometer output in the NV3500. Thanks for the compliments. I would swear that somewhere I saw a gizmo that would take the electronic speedo input and drive a standard speedometer head. Now I'm going to have to try to find it ....... Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybose Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I would swear that somewhere I saw a gizmo that would take the electronic speedo input and drive a standard speedometer head. Now I'm going to have to try to find it ....... Marty Found one ! http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/interior-electrical/hppp-1007-electronic-speedometer-converter/ Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Smokeybear, on 26 Dec 2014 - 08:31 AM, said:I don't really want to cut up the dash in case I can figure out a way to use the original speedometer with the pulse type speedometer output in the NV3500. Thanks for the compliments. what year NV3500 are you working with...the one I have in my 48 Ply Bz Cp (2004) has NO provisions for the speedometer as it is all electronic and ring tone is taken from the rear axle ring gear...I think only the automatics has tone coming from the tranny...but again I am not 100% on that these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveplym Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) per your description of the rack location to the lower control arm pivot points,,i think it will steer better turning radis wise then the fat man kit,,,smart idea,,, a friend of mine and me are going to do an install soon on a 1940 plymouth,,,your conversion looks interesting,,, also wondering I see your using the dodge power steering pump,,,, love that dodge gauges in your dash as well,,,and a stick shift,, what do you plan to do with the dash,,thats covering the last 2 gauges on the right ? following your project,, Just my observation and my opinion of course, but if I get out of my '04 Dakota and get in my '47 dodge with the fatman kit. I notice the '47 drives considerably better. Lots to consider with tires, etc, but it's just my two cents. Edited December 27, 2014 by steveplym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 what year NV3500 are you working with...the one I have in my 48 Ply Bz Cp (2004) has NO provisions for the speedometer as it is all electronic and ring tone is taken from the rear axle ring gear...I think only the automatics has tone coming from the tranny...but again I am not 100% on that these days... I believe it's a 95 or 96. It was in the Durango I harvested most of the parts from. It does have a pulse type output on the driver's side of the tailshaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Found one ! http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/interior-electrical/hppp-1007-electronic-speedometer-converter/ Marty Very interesting, I may have to save my pennies for that. At nearly $400. I may be saving a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I've used a few of those AX-15 five speed trannies out of the V8 Dakotas; pretty reasonably priced and a good trans as long as you're not planning on running 500 HP through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I've used a few of those AX-15 five speed trannies out of the V8 Dakotas; pretty reasonably priced and a good trans as long as you're not planning on running 500 HP through it. Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near 500 HP but this was in the Dakota that I got almost everything from. I used a flywheel from a Ram 2500 with the NV4500 and a clutch kit to fit the NV3500. I did have to buy a "Pilot Bearing" that fits in the back of the crank. It's the same one they put in automatics so it was an off the shelf part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's cool; I didn't know they ever used the NV4500 in the Dakotas. Probably in the 5.9 trucks rather than the 5.2s. Great trans; it should take plenty of smokey (bear) burnouts without complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeybear Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's cool; I didn't know they ever used the NV4500 in the Dakotas. Probably in the 5.9 trucks rather than the 5.2s. Great trans; it should take plenty of smokey (bear) burnouts without complaining. The flywheel is from a NV4500 from a Ram 2500. I have the NV3500 that was in the Dakota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Gotcha; still a pretty stout piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) I would check jegs,,,summit and auto meter for that speedo convertor,, i know ive seen it,,and im sure no where near 4 bills,,auto meter may be your best bet,,,you could try a place call street and performance,,,there web address is hot rod lane i believe,,, he does lots of conversions of all types of stuff,,,first guy to do a 5.7 hemi in a jeep Edited December 28, 2014 by fstfish66 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfarer Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I believe it's a 95 or 96. It was in the Durango I harvested most of the parts from. It does have a pulse type output on the driver's side of the tailshaft. If the NV is anything like the AX15 of similar vintage then installing a mech speedo is just a parts swap/bolt-in. The AX15 elec speed part is very much the same as the mech part in regards to the gear and the tailshaft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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