Phil Martin Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 I have my Dodge almost all changed to 12 volt. Now I'm stumped about the electric controls for the gyromatic. Any ideas how to drop it back to 6 volt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Why switch to 12V ? They work well with 6V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbagestate 44 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I think what he means is that he wants to continue to feed the shift relays 6 volts while operating the rest of the car on 12 volts. I talked to a guy with a 49 Saratoga who never did anything to the controls after converting to 12v and had no problems but other guys warn that doing that could smoke the controls. Personally,I cheated by keeping everything 6 volts except the starter. That way, the m-5 controls are happy along with everything else that likes 6 volts. Do a Google search on the subject,read about how other people dealt with it and you'll really be confused in the end. I know I was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I worded that wrong. I mean the car srun well on 6 volt. I have 12 of them all still 6 volt including my 4 tonner. They all run and start fine. Good H-duty batterys, starters and maintenence. Several m5 and M6 cars too. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) yes...test the value of the component in OHMs....and also with 6 volt battery power and check the amp draw...(or do the math with ohms law..)...amperage times voltage is watts and will dictate the wattage of the resistor to use in the ohm value determined by reistance test...place this value resistor inline between 12 volt source and the input to the component..this will drop 1/2 the voltage and the wattage will correct to handle the heat/current on the voltage drop.. I personally do not like resistors for the gauge circuits..I suggest wiring in a CVR or at minimum build a solid state limiter or a solid state voltage regulator... Edited November 28, 2013 by Plymouthy Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) We always ran "M" Interatioal farmall tractors that were all 6 or 9 volt originally and we always ran 12v. batterys to improve starting. The only thing we ever did was to put a resistor before the coil to cut it to 6 v.. Looked like a ceramic block with wire curled across it. It was 2 to 3 inches long as I remember. Now before the rest say that wont work,,,we NEVER turned on the lights anyway especially after converting. 6V. Generator worked till it quit then we would fashion a 12 alternator on it the 6v starter and starter button stayed permanently . When I last commuted to work(back in early 70's) in a 50 or 51 Mopar I put a 12v battery on the inside hump and hooked up the ground and ran a hot cable direct to starter. touched cable to last post to crank,,,and crank she did. When its 20 below and you gotta go and 5 AM and snow up to your whazzo,,you gotta do what yaa gotta do. Put 12v. on a charger every now and then. Point of this whole post is put a 6v resistor before the m5 controls and feed it only,,,should be good to go Edited November 28, 2013 by Grdpa's 50 Dodge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I think what he means is that he wants to continue to feed the shift relays 6 volts while operating the rest of the car on 12 volts. I talked to a guy with a 49 Saratoga who never did anything to the controls after converting to 12v and had no problems but other guys warn that doing that could smoke the controls. Personally,I cheated by keeping everything 6 volts except the starter. That way, the m-5 controls are happy along with everything else that likes 6 volts. Do a Google search on the subject,read about how other people dealt with it and you'll really be confused in the end. I know I was. it can cause confusion..many folks and especially those with any older tractor experience are used to split systems...twin batteries, twin voltage one dynamo relatively a very simple setup...one note of advice is to occasionally rotate the position of the batteries for longer life.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Don's pic is the exact ceramic resistor I spoke of. We always left the 6v coil on the tractor as well as points and condenser all the same If we ever had coil troubles we bought a 12 and took the resister off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 but...the question was the control circuits of the transmission..those values are probably a bit different than the approx. 1.2 to 1.7 ohms ignition resistors.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatS.... Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 The Gyromatic electrics run off of the coil and the coil is already stepped down to 6 volts even on a 12 volt car so the transmission does not need to be converted to six volts as it is already done...should work just fine, just make sure all the contacts on the electrical system on the trans are clean at all times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hey Pat, long time no hear!!! How are you doing? Still messing with the was it a NASH? Good to see you on the board again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatS.... Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Thanks Greg!! Healthwise not too good, poor balance from vertigo and severe weakness in my legs so that I need a walker to get around. The balance thing is the worst. Like trying to walk on the deck of a ship in very rough seas all the time. Horrible and not much can be done about it I still have the 56 Nash but it is up for sale as are all of my vehicles except the 49 Chrysler. I am unable to work on any of them right now and don' see being able to in the foreseeable future so might as well move them along to someone who can work on them. Sadly, not many folks around here in a buying mood unless they are giveaways which I won't do but the storage fees are a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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