Plymouthy Adams Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) what year is that drawing..it appears it is meant to reflect the mid 50's at least that is what I think but yet it was not till the end of the decade for the Cad light of that design....'59..I am sure that if Sutde had that design light they would have used it in their cars....NAH..just kidding..Stude was into the 70's by mid 50's..(except for trucks..who knows where they come from) Edited November 24, 2013 by Plymouthy Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Picture came from the HAMB so who knows when it was made but it had to be post 59. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desotodav Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 There seems to be photos of others of them when searching Google for 'mustang station wagon photos'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyO Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I received an auction promo from Mecum recently that contained this picture of a phantom 49 Cadillac station wagon built by a fellow named Bones Noteboom.....who I think probably hangs out on the HAMB. I rather like the look of the car. I have seen phantom older Mopars from time to time...... if you have a picture of any brand of "made up" car, post it here and lets see what turns up. Might be fun and interesting. Somebody liked this enough to win the bid at $65,000.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Somebody liked this enough to win the bid at $65,000.00. Probably more than that in it. Still don't like it but someone had more money than sense. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobT-47P15 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Saw this P15 phantom woodie made from a four door sedan at an area car show in 2010. The owner commented that the Plymouth had a stronger frame than other cars he had built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobT-47P15 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 There is a local fellow who made a four door convertible 1959 Cadillac. Used top bows from a Pontiac to make a working convertible top. Looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwrstory Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 This topic gives me the opportunity to boast about my good friend Tony Miller. We met a number of years ago, introduced by a mutual friend, at a Hot Rod cruise. Seems we have a lot in common and we now meet every few weeks for breakfast and chat about all that is wrong,..... and right in the world of design. One of Tony's things is designing cars that never were. Here are three. The 50 is about as close to a daily driver as one can get. All are equally complex, tasty and mischievous. Can you spot the refinements? I will ask Tony to join our forum and cover my ass if this topic gets traction and comments/questions become too intense.... * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 I think the first one has a roof from a Lincoln and the hood has been stretched and cowl modified as well as doors shaved. Second one looks like the roof off a GM, doors shaved. Third one has been chopped and the fenders moved up, maybe channeled as well, maybe a pie cut in the hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50Fraud Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 I think the first one has a roof from a Lincoln and the hood has been stretched and cowl modified as well as doors shaved. Second one looks like the roof off a GM, doors shaved. Third one has been chopped and the fenders moved up, maybe channeled as well, maybe a pie cut in the hood. The first one has the roof that came on the car; the hood is stock but from an earlier year; no change to the cowl. You're right about the doors. The second also has the roof that came on the car, and you're right again about the doors, but there are many other changes in the details. The third started out as a coupe, and the top has been chopped OFF. Yes, it's channeled and the hood has been sectioned. Do you know what make and year it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave72dt Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 About the right shape for a 40 Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Looks to me like the 40 Ford is far from stock, Looks channeled, the front wheels appar to be moved foreward along with the wheel wells, the windshield looks chopped and the fenders radised. The car also appears to be lowered. Did I mention the carson top. It appears to be a 40 Fraud. And the 50 is a 50 Fraud. The 56 is a 56 Fraud. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661072 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) they not Mopar...therefore not worthy of discussion...lol BUT neither is this car but considered an orphan car under the Mopar blanket...this is the car I saw at the swap meet that in my opinion was slicker than any of the others just due to the fact it is "dare to be different" pepped up 401 CI Edited November 26, 2013 by Plymouthy Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 on the 56-Fraud. front end is from a 55 or at least the grille is, stainless side trim is wrong from what I remember and it has a scoop on the hood from a Tbird, I think. Headlight buckets appear to be molded in, no hood ornaments or emblems either and I'm sure there is more, possibly the bumpers flipped. Hood ornament on the 50 or 51 whichever it is also may be questionable, windshield may be a bit more laid back than normal. Most of the changes appear to be fairly subtle and done well so it looks like they were there from the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyO Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) Phantom Umbrella? About $700 a piece. There's two of them. Edited November 27, 2013 by BigDaddyO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 for the man who has everything...now this is a sharp idea...outrageously priced..but still a marvel idea....guess one could expand on this and mount samurai swords.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyO Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 for the man who has everything...now this is a sharp idea...outrageously priced..but still a marvel idea....guess one could expand on this and mount samurai swords.. Or twirling batons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobT-47P15 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Meanwhile, over on the HAMB, a fellow and his shop are building a faux 1940 Ford convertible with rear quarter side glasses (they do not have rear side glasses). In fact, the car started out as a coupe. Here's a link to the thread: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661072 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Bob, Did you ever wonder if that might be the same car that Bill Story pictured? Did you happen to catch the builders name? Did you happen to catch the link that I posted in my response (posting #38 in this thread). Does the name Tony Miller ring a bell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50Fraud Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) About the right shape for a 40 Ford Yes, it's a '40 Ford Looks to me like the 40 Ford is far from stock, Looks channeled, the front wheels appar to be moved foreward along with the wheel wells, the windshield looks chopped and the fenders radised. The car also appears to be lowered. Did I mention the carson top. It appears to be a 40 Fraud. And the 50 is a 50 Fraud. The 56 is a 56 Fraud. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661072 Don, I suspect that you've been peeking at the thread on the HAMB. on the 56-Fraud. front end is from a 55 or at least the grille is, stainless side trim is wrong from what I remember and it has a scoop on the hood from a Tbird, I think. Headlight buckets appear to be molded in, no hood ornaments or emblems either and I'm sure there is more, possibly the bumpers flipped. Hood ornament on the 50 or 51 whichever it is also may be questionable, windshield may be a bit more laid back than normal. Most of the changes appear to be fairly subtle and done well so it looks like they were there from the factory. Pretty much correct. The grille and side trim are both from a '55 Customline (the car is a '56 Fairlane Victoria), the hood scoop is from a '65 GTO. The headlights are '55 Olds. The shoebox is a '51 pretending to be a '50 (there were no '50 Victorias from the factory). The hood ornament is '49. The windshield and all of the top is completely stock '51 Vic. Meanwhile, over on the HAMB, a fellow and his shop are building a faux 1940 Ford convertible with rear quarter side glasses (they do not have rear side glasses). In fact, the car started out as a coupe. Here's a link to the thread: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661072 Yep, same car. The grey picture that Bill posted is a Photochop. Bob, Did you ever wonder if that might be the same car that Bill Story pictured? Did you happen to catch the builders name? Did you happen to catch the link that I posted in my response (posting #38 in this thread). Does the name Tony Miller ring a bell? Well, ya got me. Here's the way the car actually looks right now. The grille, incidentally, is a fake '40 Merc handmade to fit the altered '40 Ford grille opening: Thanks for playing, guys. Edited November 27, 2013 by 50Fraud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 You have done a great job on these cars. Thank you for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwrstory Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 As I said,...boastin about my bud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hiebert Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 That Cadillac looks like it was originally a hearse. I can appreciate the workmanship, but it doesn't really blow my skirt up. Here's a couple from the 2011 Olcott car show in Olcott, NY. Greg G may remember these. I don't recall the year of the donor Buick. There wasn't any info posted with the 56 Chevy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niel Hoback Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 That's a 1955 Century or Roadmaster by the four holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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